Dear Allison,
In this case Alex is right. Ansel Adams did not create a jpeg. Karen Coyle
created this one. Each DC metadata set (consisting of 15 repeatable
elements) references _one_ information resource. This jpeg is _one_
information resource. There may be MANY other digital files created and
many other negatives, prints etc. Prints made by Ansel Adams from his
negative a different from prints made by you from his negative.
David
At 09:42 AM 1/28/99 -0600, Smith, Allison wrote:
>Alex, although I am very new to the list, and in using Dublin Core
>(actually, I'm not yet, but just looking into it's potential for this
>project that I'm working on), I have to disagree with you in regards to the
>following way of using the Dublin Core "Creator" and "Contributor" elements
>for describing the "creator" of a scan or metadata about an original
>piece.........This is what you said:
>
> IMHO, the scanned image would be part of Karen's collection (or the
>Library's
> collection), with metadata allocated something like the following:
>
> DC.Name = "Image of Mt. Whatsitsname"
> DC.Creator = "Coyle, Karen"
> DC.Contributor = "California Digital Library"
> DC.Contributor = "Adams, Ansel"
> DC.Subject = "Mountain, Mt. Whatsitsname, Landscape, Sunset"
> DC.Format = "image"
> DC.Type = "image/jpeg"
> DC.Relation = "(IsFormatOf) Photo of Mt. Whatsitsname - Adams,
>Ansel"
>
>If we can agree with the DC definition of "Creator" - that it refers to the
>person(s) primarily responsible for (the artistic or) intellectual content
>of the item (i.e. the original photo), it would always be Ansel Adams, and
>never Karen Coyle. IMHO, Karen Coyle played a contributing role in making
>the photo accessible through scanning the image, creating the metadata, and
>putting it on the web, but we should not confuse her with being the creator.
>
>
>Think about it this way - in the artworld, many times an artist/printmaker
>will have an apprentice. This person, under the direction of the artist,
>may perform all the grunt work involved in making the print EXCEPT for
>actually creating the image, choosing colors, paper, etc. This apprentice
>would never be listed as the creator of the print, since he/she was not
>responsible for the artistic content of the image itself. Instead, we would
>list this person as a contributor. So, why would we ever want to list
>"creators" of metadata/scans/etc. of original pieces, as the "creators"?
>This is how I would propose writing the metadata:
>
> DC.Name = "Image of Mt. Whatsitsname"
> DC.Creator = "Adams, Ansel"
> DC.Contributor = "California Digital Library. Karen Coyle."
> DC.Subject = "Mountain, Mt. Whatsitsname, Landscape, Sunset"
> DC.Format = "image"
> DC.Type = "image/jpeg"
> DC.Relation = "(IsFormatOf) Photo of Mt. Whatsitsname - Adams,
>Ansel"
>
>Would this work? Any comments?
>
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Satrapa [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 12:48 AM
>> To: Karen Coyle
>> Cc: Dublin Core community-wide list; CIMI Dublin Core Test Bed
>> Subject: Re: Metadata for copies of Ansel Adams' photos of mountains
>> [was Re: Bearman paper... Relations]
>>
>> Karen Coyle wrote:
>>
>> > I feel like we're talking at cross purposes, so let me reduce this to
>> > basics. Photo of mountain by Ansel Adams has been digitized by Karen
>> Coyle
>> > for California Digital Library.
>> >
>> > 1) Can I create metadata under 1:1 that gives the creator as Ansel
>> Adams?
>> > If I do and I also desire to include information about how it came to be
>> > digitized, what field does Karen Coyle go into?
>>
>> IMHO, the photo (or even the negative it was generated from) are stored
>> somewhere, like Ansel Adams' personal collection/estate. The owner of this
>> collection would contribute the metadata for the original photo. Something
>> like (pardon my ignorance):
>>
>> DC.Name = "Photo of Mt. Whatsitsname"
>> DC.Creator = "Adams, Ansel"
>> DC.Subject = "Mountain, Mt. Whatsitsname, Landscape, Sunset"
>> DC.Format = "image"
>> DC.Type = "Kodak Photopaper XYZ, 28cm by 18cm"
>>
>> > 2) Can I create metadata under 1:1 that gives the creator as Karen
>> Coyle?
>> > If I do and I also desire to include the creator of the photograph for
>> > purposes of discovery, what field does Ansel Adams go into?
>>
>> IMHO, the scanned image would be part of Karen's collection (or the
>> Library's
>> collection), with metadata allocated something like the following:
>>
>> DC.Name = "Image of Mt. Whatsitsname"
>> DC.Creator = "Coyle, Karen"
>> DC.Contributor = "California Digital Library"
>> DC.Contributor = "Adams, Ansel"
>> DC.Subject = "Mountain, Mt. Whatsitsname, Landscape, Sunset"
>> DC.Format = "image"
>> DC.Type = "image/jpeg"
>> DC.Relation = "(IsFormatOf) Photo of Mt. Whatsitsname - Adams, Ansel"
>>
>> IMHO, the subjects of both resources are the same. If someone's actually
>> looking for pictures by Ansel Adams by selecting DC.Creator = "Ansel,
>> Adams",
>> they'll get the first one. If they decide to look for copies of that photo
>> that they can look at right now, they might click a button on the search
>> interface labelled "Find Related", which automates the search for
>> "DC.Relation <contains> Photo of Mt. Whatsitsname - Adams, Ansel". If
>> they're
>> just looking for images in some format of Mt. Whatsitsname, or just
>> generic
>> sunset landscapes, they'll get both records.
>>
>> Which brings up the interesting issue of ... how do we apply unique names
>> to
>> resources? But that's a different topic.
>>
>> I list Ansel as a contributor to the scanned image, because the scanned
>> image
>> wouldn't have been possible without his (significant) contribution.
>>
>> The rest of the DC Metadata set (Location, Rights, et al) refer
>> specifically
>> to the scanned image of the photo. At this point in time, in my role as
>> cataloguer, I'll not write up the extra two Metadata records for the
>> negative
>> and the physical object, since they're not resources under my control.
>> IMHO,
>> the physical object is under the "control" of the Government surveyor. If
>> the
>> Government surveyor had a metadata set describing this significant peak,
>> then
>> the "owner" of the negative would prepare a metadata set for the negative,
>> including the physical object as a relation. I (in my role as "owner" of
>> the
>> photo) would include a link to the negative. Then the chain of links would
>> be
>> complete.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>>
>> --
>> Alex Satrapa
>> tSA Consulting Group Pty Ltd.
>> Canberra, Australia
>>
>>
>
>
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