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There are 13 messages totalling 359 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Teeth and Dentists (5)
2. Journalist wants your opinion
3. Teeth and dentists
4. Town Talk (2)
5. Grant Allen list
6. Richard A. Cosgrove or Trowbridge H. Ford
7. 19th philosophy texts
8. Prose anthology
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:10:31 -0700
From: Jack Kolb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Teeth and Dentists
It's been some years since I've read the book, but I believe that Thomas
Buddenbrooks (in Mann's novel) dies of complications of acute toothache.
After seeing a dentist.
Jack Kolb
Dept. of English, UCLA
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:33:38 EDT
From: Matthew Sweet <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Journalist wants your opinion
I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my request for information and
opinions about the traffic in mss. Especially Malvern van Wyk Smith, Patrick
Leary, John Russell, Melissa Breyer, Richard Fulton, Lesley Hall and Adriana
Craciun.
I'll post the piece here on Monday, the day after it runs in the paper, with
a few added extras that wouldn't fit.
In the meantime, list members might like to know how Fay Weldon regards the
researchers of the future who'll be sifting through all the textual
drawer-clearings she posts off to Bloomington every so often. She tells me
that she deliberately peppers the postcards, notes and drafts she sends them
with "scandalous" material - just to keep 21st century scholars from falling
asleep at their desks.
"Either people are going to spend all this time doing this kind of thing - in
which case you might as well give them a pleasant occupation - or they're not
going to be interested - in which case its a wonderful way of getting rid of
things you don't know what to do with."
Matthew Sweet
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:14:30 +0200
From: Birgit Plietzsch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Teeth and Dentists
Thomas Mann also deals with this issue in _Buddenbrooks_ (1901).
Birgit Plietzsch
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:00:42 -0400
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Teeth and dentists
Hi!
In one of the early episodes of Edward Ellis's melodramatic serial "Ruth
the Betrayer; or The Female Spy" (1863) a gullible young man has two teeth
extracted without anaesthetic, believing that they can be transplanted into
the mouth of the woman he loves, who's just lost a tooth. The first tooth
the dentist extracts is the wrong one, so the poor man has to go through
the whole thing again.
Sorry I can't give publication details for this truly incredible serial -
the British Library has it in a bound volume, but there are no publishers'
details on it.
All the best
Chris
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Birkbeck College
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:15:28 +0900
From: Graham Law <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Town Talk
_Town Talk_ remains a bit of a mystery. I wonder whether Patrick could
give a source for the information that the paper remained in John
Maxwell's hands from 1858 until 1878, when it was bought by Adolphus
Rosenberg? Or whether anyone else could help out?
Both Boase and _NCBEL_ say that the magazine ran weekly from 8 May 1858
to 14 Nov 1859 only; the BL catalogue also gives fifty-four numbers
1858-9, and a further twenty-seven in a new series in 1859.
On the other hand, Sutherland in the _Stanford Companion_ says that
Watts Philips' novel "Honour of the Family" ran there in 1862, before
appearing in volume as _Amos Clark_.
Yet again, given how quickly Maxwell was running though periodicals at
this stage (_Welcome Guest_, _Robin Goodfellow_, _Temple Bar_,
_Halfpenny Journal_, _St. James Magazine_, _Belgravia_), and given his
financial problems in the early 1860s, it seems doubtful that he would
have held on to _Town Talk_ for twenty years. There is no suggestion
that this was the case in Wolff's _Sensational Victorian_ either, I
think.
Finally, Yates himself in 1884 in _Recollections and Experiences_, said
that the periodical he edited was 'a very different kind of production
from the sheet which has in later years appropriated its title', which
makes it sound as though _Town Talk_ was not issued continuously.
I only get the digest of VICTORIA. Apologies if this has already been
sorted out.
Graham Law
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:29:59 -0400
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Grant Allen list
Hi!
(Apologies for cross posting.)
I've set up a Grant Allen discussion list - new members welcome! Details
are at:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/GrantAllen
All the best
Chris
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Birkbeck College
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:37:35 -0400
From: "j.masters" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Teeth and Dentists
In Daisy Miller, Daisy's brother has problems with his teeth--not a "learned
men" context, perhaps, but he is a rather canny boy.
J. Masters
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From: Christopher Forth <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:44 AM
Subject: Teeth and Dentists
>Hello, all--
>
>I'm interested in the role of the toothache and teeth generally in
>19th-century literature and was wondering if any Victorianists can help me.
>In particular, I'm concerned with how the toothache is often raised in the
>context of learned men, a theme which recurs somewhat frequently in
>literature since Shakespeare. Can anyone recommend novels or short stories
>in which teeth and toothaches play a prominent role?
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>best,
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>Chris Forth
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>Christopher E. Forth
>Department of History
>Faculty of Arts
>Australian National University
>Canberra ACT 0200
>Australia
>Tel: 02 6249 2717
>Fax: 02 6249 4083
>http://www.anu.edu./history/index.htm
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:45:35 -0500
From: Patrick Leary <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Town Talk
Good point, Graham. You're probably right--it does seem odd that
Maxwell would have held onto the magazine (or any magazine) for so long. I
was relying for that assumption on Elizabeth Deis's article on Maxwell in
Anderson and Rose's _British Literary Publishing Houses, 1820-1880_, but
reading it again this morning I can now see that I jumped to conclusions.
(Moral: that'll teach me not to post to the list late at night!) In her
paragraph on _Town Talk_ she passes directly from writing of the Yates
business to the statement, "_Town Talk_ seems to have been bought in 1878
by Adolphus Rosenberg..." She implies but doesn't say that it was bought
*from Maxwell*, and in any case that "seems to have" undermines the
credibility of the whole sentence. Even Vizetelly, who gossips about all
sorts of obscure periodicals and who brought Maxwell and Yates together,
is silent on the fate of _Town Talk_, as is P. D. Edwards in his recent
book about Yates and Sala. Maybe someone who has actually set eyes on a
run of this fugitive periodical can enlighten us.
Patrick
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:52:25 +0000
From: Richard VandeWetering <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Richard A. Cosgrove or Trowbridge H. Ford
Dear Victorianists
does anyone know the address or e-mail address of either Richard
A. Cosgrove (Univ of Arizona in 1980s) or Trowbridge H. Ford (Holy Cross
College, 1980s)?
Thank you
Richard VandeWetering
Dept of Politics
Univ of Western Ontario
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:59:47 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 19th philosophy texts
I have a sense - I haven't done the really detailed type of research this
requires, which it sounds as though the enquirer is undertaking - that the
rise of increasing differentiation on biologically-defined gender and indeed
racial grounds was a defensive (and not necessarily conscious) strategy as
uninterrogated and taken for granted assumptions of the white male ruling
class about itself came more and more under threat: i.e. they had to find
REASONS why they were born to rule. At least, it may be one aspect of why
the change took place.
Lesley Hall
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:17:43 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Teeth and Dentists
Mann also uses extended dental metaphors in _Dr Faustus_.
On a more specifically Victorian and British note, isn't it on record that
Charlotte Bronte was sitting up with raging toothache, the night before
Patrick Bronte's cataract operation, when she began _Jane Eyre_?
Lesley Hall
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From: Birgit Plietzsch <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 26 June 1999 09:09
Subject: Re: Teeth and Dentists
>Thomas Mann also deals with this issue in _Buddenbrooks_ (1901).
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>Birgit Plietzsch
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:17:27 -0700
From: Paula Gillett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Prose anthology
Dear Colleagues: Can anyone suggest a reasonably priced 19th c prose
anthology that includes Josephine Butler? Many thanks--Paula Gillett
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:30:19 -0500
From: john dwyer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Teeth and Dentists
Tolstoy's _Anna Karenina_ Book One, Part Three, Chapter 13 (trans. Margaret
Wettlin 383) discusses how A.A. Karenin feels after hearing Anna's
confession:
he felt like a person who has got rid of a tooth that has been aching for a
long time. After fearful pain and the sensation of having somethin
enormous, something bigger than his head, pulled out of his jaw, the
sufferer is hardly able to believe the good fortune of being rid of that
which had poisoned his life and been the center of all his thoughts for so
long, of being able to return to a normal life, to think of things other
than the tooth. It was this relief Karenin experienced. The pain had been
strange and terrible, but it had passed; he could now live and think of
things other than his wife.
John Dwyer
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