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There are 25 messages totalling 869 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. East Lynne questions
2. Elocution (2)
3. RL Stevenson's "Markheim" Pub. Info.
4. Books on Darwin (2)
5. East Lynne/incognito mothers (2)
6. Adultery/Divorce (2)
7. Aurora Leigh (3)
8. actress novels (7)
9. CFP Visawus
10. adultery; divorce
11. William Barnes and Reverend (2)
12. The Reverend Mr . . .
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:14:40 +0100
From: Angela Richardson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: East Lynne questions
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>From: Antje Anderson
>1. Medical
>
>It's been my impression that it was already known in the 1860s that TB was
>contagious. Is that not so? Was the theory in conflict with
>'inheritance' theories?
I know you've had a number of good replies on this, but you might also want
to check the Victoria archives because I remember this topic being discussed
before.
>2. Intertextual
>
>It struck me that the relationship between ARchibald and
>his sister Cornelia is very directly modeled on the one between Robert and
>Hortense Moore in _Shirley_;
Yes, now you mention it, there is the same painful quality about the
pairing.
Although Hortense is never damaging to the brother's relationship as Corny
is.
Angela
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:55:57 +0100
From: "Newey, Kate" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Elocution
There's quite a lot of Victorian material about the benefits of elocution and
recitation in the home, especially from the 1860s on. Much of it is directed
at parents - particularly mothers - recommending they use poetry and short
plays at home to teach children the rudiments of elegant speech and deportment.
You might also look at the publishing sub-category of the reciter - I've found
some gems. Some of this literature was also directed at schools (for example,
an adaptation of Tennyson's _The Princess_ for a girls' school). Your hunch
that you might start looking in the area of theatre is pretty accurate, and
there's a small but useful list of critical writing on home entertainment - if
you're interested I can forward it privately.
Kate Newey
Theatre Studies, Lancaster University.
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:07:07 EDT
From: Carol Digel <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Elocution
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:12:46 EST5EDT
From: "Jason A. Pierce" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: RL Stevenson's "Markheim" Pub. Info.
I don't have it at hand, but the best source for information about
the facts surrounding the writing and publishing of Stevenson's prose
works is Roger Swearingen, *The Prose Writings of Robert Louis
Stevenson: A Guide* (Hamden, CT: Archon, 1980). George McKay's
six-volume bibliography of Yale's Beinecke collection of Stevenson is
also useful, though it can be of limited use when working with
periodical publication. Online, you might try Richard Dury's
excellent Stevenson site -- http://www.unibg.it/rls/rls.htm.
As for "Markheim," I seem to recall that it was published in Unwin's
Christmas annual for 1885 rather than 1886, written just before
*Jekyll & Hyde* when Stevenson was fairly hard up for cash.
*****
Jason A. Pierce
University of South Carolina
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:29:04 -0500
From: Ellen Moody <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Books on Darwin
The excellent article in the _Times Literary Supplement_ which
reviewed a number of biographies of Darwin has the somewhat
misleading title, 'Three biographies of Darwin compared'. It's
to be found in the issue for February 20, 1998, and while it
concentrates on three biographies (one by John Bowlby,
one by Desmond and Moore, and one by Janet Browne),
the author mentions several more along the way and divides
all of them into schools shaped by interrelated attitudes
towards Darwin, natural science, sociology, and psychology.
It is by Joseph Carroll, and in Carroll's judgement 'Bowlby's
. . . is by the far the most valuable of the three'. Why?
Carroll feels Bowlby's is least driven by an agenda, and
Bowlby's the one which most closely takes Darwin's
explanations of his own thought seriously. Darwin's
prose is endlessly nuanced, chock-a-block with
information and citation of other books; he has his
tentacles moving out to all sorts of schools of thought
in the 19th century. Carroll says Bowlby is both 'just
and generous' to Darwin, and 'at the present time for
a biographer' to write this way of a number of the
'great Victorians' 'requires a truly exceptional largeness
of spirit, both a liberality of feeling and an independence
from conventional expectations'.
The other two books, Desmond and Moore's and Browne's
are said to 'adopt the broadly Marxist conceptions that Paul
Gross and Norman Levitt characterise as the academic
left' (_Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and Its Quarrels
with Science_, 1994). In brief Desmond and Moore insist
Darwin's theory of natural selection owes a central debt to
Malthus; they situate Darwin in a context of popular Malthusian
which pays little regard to the enormous scientific literature
in Darwin's background. Carroll thinks Desmond and Moore
disrespect Darwin. I have read Desmond and Moore and
would like to add to this that the merit of the book (and
why I think it's popular) is in one volume they include an
enormous amount of detail; they write in a lively vivid
and witty way. Janet Browne's one volume contains less
information, fewer quotations from Darwin's early life than
what they manage to convey in the first third of their
book. I don't know that they disrespect Darwin, but they
have their agenda, and it is caught in the book's title:
'the tormented evolutionist'. Desmond especially insists
that Darwin's reclusive life and illnesses were psychosomatic.
Carroll compares one section of Bowlby's treatment of
one small moment in Darwin's life to Desmond and Moore's.
Darwin read a couple of books at Cambridge which Darwin
thought transformed his ideas about science and started
him on his vocation. Bowlby goes into these two books
thoroughly and takes quite a number of pages over the
whole episode. Desmond and Moore produce one
flip (it is flip) paragraph setting these two books in their
so-called matrix, arguing against the notion that there
is such a thing as 'evidence', sure 'facts' and 'laws'
and summing it all up with Drawin closing the book
and his eyes (this is the 'St John bit his lip' school of
biography), and 'exuding a "burning zeal" for science'.
I agree with Carroll's complaints about Browne which I also
have read:
'She has little feeling for the emotional life and the
intimate personal relations of her characters. In
comparison with Bowlby's rich and subtle evocations
of pesonality and personal relations, her characters
are largely blank'.
I also agree that her 'matrix' is not centrally drawn from
various 'programmatic statements' about sociology in the period.
He finds her instead more frequently availing herself of
a 'store of commonplace' statements taken from now this
ideology (of our time) or now that (to explain a given phase
of Darwin's early life). Carroll writes: 'Her own values and feelings
are merely conventional, but in compensation she has an
intuitive feel for the force of convention'. I was struck by how
she explained Darwin's life as if he were an academic in the
1980s networking away; she seemed to read the relationships
among the upper middle class and gentry as if they were
just like those I have come across in academia today. She
does tells about 'all the multifarious and social and professional
networks' of Victorian science. Network is her favorite word.
I found it a dull book which made Darwin into a dull man,
though worthy enough because a great deal of outer history
of the period is retold in her many hundreds of pages.
For this one Carroll compares Bowlby's treatment of Darwin's
parents and grandparents and Browne's. Carroll says Bowlby gives us
a sense of the actual people who made the dynasty and
a sense of the complicated intimate feel of the milieu that
influenced Darwin; in comparison Browne gives us a paradigm of social
and professional connections. Again I agree.
I should perhaps have said earlier that for the past 5-6
years I have been assigning Darwin's _Voyage of the
Beagle_ (the abridged text put out by Penguin, edited
by Browne and Michael Neve) to classes of Junior
level students who are foolhardy enough to sign up for
my Advanced Composition in Natural Sciences
and stay put. I have therefore over these
past years been reading away in Darwin himself and
books on him, and have had to answer all sorts of questions
from students as well as offer books for them to read.
So I will end this posting with some advice about what
I have found helps students most and which books I found
most helpful in reading and teaching Darwin. As will have
been seen, I agree with Bowlby on Desmond and Moore;
however, I have found students enjoy Desmond and Moore,
can get a lot out of it, and it has the merit of containing
a lot in one readable if vulgarised account. The better student in my
classes has again and again read at least part of Desmond and Moore for
the paper I set (it's available in an attractive black paperback
which is not too expensive). Students also seem to profit
enormously from a book which contains a lot of pictures
(but is not therefore dumb): Alan Moorehead's _Darwin
and the Beagle_. It's available on Books on Tape (unabridged)
and I think Moorehead makes South America and all
the places Darwin visits come alive for the student;
they come back to the _Voyage_ in a state of mind
which makes them willing to see it as a rich novel by
a genius. (I am simply telling the truth about how better
students respond to the _Voyage_). They also like
_The Autobiography_ which was recently reprinted in
an edition first prepared by Darwin's grand-daughter, Nora
Barlowe, except now the original omisssions are restored.
They can understand Darwin here. Finally for an outside
book which they respond well to (it's entertaining and
centrally still more or less accurate): William Irvine's
_Apes, Angels and Victorians: The Story of Darwin,
Huxley, and Evolution_. I have also xeroxed parts of
Alexander Adams' _The Eternal Quest: The Story of the Great
Naturalists_. This old-fashioned but informative narrative
has a separate chapter to each of the earlier naturalists or
field explorers and scientists. I once also showed the
movie adaptation of A. S. Byatt's _Angels and Insects_
(the first story is a fictionalised recounting of Alfred
Russell Wallace) and had the students read the story.
I have also provided xeroxes of a good essay which appeared
in the _New Yorker_ (July 27, 19997), 'In Darwin's Wake',
by David Denby about his trip to the Galapagos, an essay
which returns the student to Darwin's book with an imagined
sense of the place and man the student has a hard time
gaining him or herself.
For myself I have found the single most useful enlightening
book to be Peter J. Bowler's _Charles Darwin: The Man and His Influence_.
(Cambridge: At the University Press, 1990. Here we have
a scientist evaluating Darwin's contributions to geology,
biology, and various areas of science all interwoven into
a lucidly written story of Darwin's life with a thorough-going
section on the five years Darwin spent on the Beagle. (My view.)
Beyond that the Norton critical edition (Philip Appleman. 2nd Ed)
of Darwin's works if read from cover-to-cover will cover all the ground
and lead the reader to other good books on all the areas you might
want to delve into. To my mind anything Stephen Jay Gould or
John Maynard Smith writes about Darwin in their books of essays
is always instructive and useful. Finally a long time ago I read
Loren Eisley's book (the Darwin century?) and remember it as
inspiring to me.
Ellen Moody
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:20:54 -0400
From: Antje Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: East Lynne/incognito mothers
Thanks to everyone who responded to my _East Lynne_ questions, and
especially for the bibliographic & VICTORIA references on TB.
My indulgent summer reading (this week only, before summer school starts!)
makes me ask yet another character constellation question. By total
happenstance I picked Collins' _The Dead Secret_ off my shelf to read
right after _East Lynne_, not knowing that it also features (although only
for a couple of chapters) the _East Lynne_ scenario:
the incognito mother-as-servant (Sarah Leeson / Jazeph) takes care of her
child (Rosamond Frankland nee Treverton) and suffers melodramatic tortures
of unfulfilled, secret motherhood. On some levels, of course, the
scenario is substantially different from Isabel's in _East Lynne_ (for one
thing, the reader of _The Dead Secret_ can only suspect, not know, that
Sarah is Rosamond's mother; the class implications are very different).
But I'm curious about similar scenarios in Victorian novels. (I'd say
there are echoes of it in _Bleak House_, of course, but with too many
reversals and alterations.) The obsession with the sinning mother who
returns to her child unrecognized (and has to die of a broken heart, of
course) surely had other manifestations. I'd be grateful for suggestions.
Antje Anderson
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Antje Schaum Anderson
English Department
Dickinson College East College 408
Carlisle, PA 17018 Ext. 1359
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:30:34 +0100
From: Angela Richardson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: East Lynne/incognito mothers
Back to Shirley, there is a sinning mother (Caroline's) who returns
but that is a happier story.
Angela
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:54:59 -0500
From: Elvira Casal <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Adultery/Divorce
Has anyone yet mentioned Meredith's _Ordeal of Richard Feverel_? It's in
the background, but very important to the novel. (Richard's mother had an
affair with his father's best friend. I don't remember if they actually
elope or are found out and she is divorced for adultery, but the point is
that Richard's mother is missing through his childhood and his father raises
him in a peculiar way largely as a result of his mother's adultery.)
Elvira Casal
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:16:57 -0700
From: Margot Louis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Aurora Leigh
"...and perfect wives" is correct, according to Margaret Reynolds' Norton
edition of the text, which uses the revised 4th edition of the poem as
copy-text. Reynolds doesn't mention this passage in her "Selected Textual
Notes," but you could check her full-scale edition of _Aurora Leigh_ from
Ohio UP, 1992. I can't remember what copy-text Taplin was using, but I
think his is a pretty shoddy edition generally--certainly an abominable
teaching text.
Di Francis writes:
>I have been looking at "Aurora Leigh" tonight and ran across a variation
>between to editions. I'm hoping someone can help clear up the discrepancy. In
>a collection of Barrett Brownings Poems: "Selected Poems" edited by Malcolm
>Hicks, there is a segment from Book II of Aurora Leigh. IN lines 222 and 223,
>it reads:
>
>"You give us doating mothers, and perfect wives,
>Sublime Madonnas, and enduring saints!"
>
>
>On the other hand, in the version of Aurora Leigh edited by Gardner B. Taplin
>(Cassandra Edition), the same lines read:
>
>"You give us doating mothers, and chaste wives
>Sublime Madonnas, and enduring saints!"
>
>So my question is, why perfect versus chaste? Which is correct? Or did
>Barrett Browning make changes to the text? I'm interested because obviously
>the meaning changes greatly.
Margot K. Louis
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:21:41 -0400
From: EDLloydKimbrel <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Aurora Leigh
... and "perfect wives" scans better too...and EBB was kind of fussy about
that sort of thing, wasn't she? -- edlk
On Thu, 20 May 1999, Margot Louis wrote:
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:16:57 -0700
> From: Margot Louis <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society
<[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Aurora Leigh
>
> "...and perfect wives" is correct, according to Margaret Reynolds' Norton
> edition of the text, which uses the revised 4th edition of the poem as
> copy-text. Reynolds doesn't mention this passage in her "Selected Textual
> Notes," but you could check her full-scale edition of _Aurora Leigh_ from
> Ohio UP, 1992. I can't remember what copy-text Taplin was using, but I
> think his is a pretty shoddy edition generally--certainly an abominable
> teaching text.
> Di Francis writes:
> >I have been looking at "Aurora Leigh" tonight and ran across a variation
> >between to editions. I'm hoping someone can help clear up the discrepancy. In
> >a collection of Barrett Brownings Poems: "Selected Poems" edited by Malcolm
> >Hicks, there is a segment from Book II of Aurora Leigh. IN lines 222 and 223,
> >it reads:
> >
> >"You give us doating mothers, and perfect wives,
> >Sublime Madonnas, and enduring saints!"
> >
> >
> >On the other hand, in the version of Aurora Leigh edited by Gardner B. Taplin
> >(Cassandra Edition), the same lines read:
> >
> >"You give us doating mothers, and chaste wives
> >Sublime Madonnas, and enduring saints!"
> >
> >So my question is, why perfect versus chaste? Which is correct? Or did
> >Barrett Browning make changes to the text? I'm interested because obviously
> >the meaning changes greatly.
>
>
> Margot K. Louis
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:47:26 -0500
From: Robin A Werner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: actress novels
Hi, I am working on my dissertation at Tulane university and would like to
seek out the wisdom of the list. I am interested in Actress Novels... not
the canonical novels where actresses make breif appearances but novels
focused on actresses. So far I have found several from the end of the
century but only one from mid-century (Jewsbury _The Half Sisters_). If
anyone on the list knows of any other early to mid-19th century actress
novels please repond to me privately. Both British or American works
would be of interest.
Thanks,
--Robin Werner
"Always remember that the past is gone forever
and the future never comes. So you didn't do
it, nobody saw you do it, and they can't prove
it was you."
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:55:32 -0500
From: Herbert Tucker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Aurora Leigh
At 12:21 PM 5/20/99 -0400, you wrote:
>... and "perfect wives" scans better too...and EBB was kind of fussy about
>that sort of thing, wasn't she? -- edlk
Well, indeed she was, though she was no foe to metrical substitution. In
any case, as I scan the lines "chaste" is actually...chaster...than
"perfect" from a metrical standpoint, since it produces a decasyllabic line
with a pyrrhic-spondee roundoff (rhythmical irony: ah, let's have some
respect for...get ready...chaste wives). "Perfect" makes the line
hypersyllabic, and to that minor extent imperfect, hasty-feeling,
scrambling over the caesura.
>> >
>> >"You give us doating mothers, and perfect wives,
>> >Sublime Madonnas, and enduring saints!"
>> >
>> >
>> >On the other hand, in the version of Aurora Leigh edited by Gardner B.
Taplin
>> >(Cassandra Edition), the same lines read:
>> >
>> >"You give us doating mothers, and chaste wives
>> >Sublime Madonnas, and enduring saints!"
Herbert Tucker
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:04:03 -0500
From: Ellen Moody <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: actress novels
I don't know if Trollope's last novel (published posthumously and unfinished)
qualifies as an actress novel, but one of its two main plots centers on an
Irish-American girl who supports herself as an actress in London. There
are some interesting scenes of conflict between this heroine, Rachel
O'Mahony, who actually proposes to her lover that he quit his estate
and go live with her while she supports the pair of them, and between
Rachel and her manager. Trollope is much concerned to prove to his that
his Rachel remains a virgin -- probably because it was assumed at the
time that a woman who worked as an actress could not so remain.
Ellen Moody
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:36:37 -0700
From: Ryan Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: actress novels
You might want to look into Fanny Kemble, an actress and starlet--really
before the age of starlets--of international renown in the period. I don't
know of her having written any novels, but novels have been written about
her; she did publish quite a bit of autobiographical writing, though, and
her lifelong performance as a public woman author would make her worth your
while. A good place to start is Alison Booth's excellent article, "From
Miranda to Prospero: The Works of Fanny Kemble" in _Victorian Studies_
Winter 1995.
Cheers,
Ryan
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:48:33 EDT
From: Phoebe Wray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: actress novels
Barely in our period, but set earlier is Dreiser's Sister Carrie.
I'd be interested in the list you turn up, Robin.
best
phoebe
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:58:08 -0700
From: Richard Fulton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: CFP Visawus
Second Notice
Call for Papers
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the Victorian novel, we consider a full panel to be three papers).
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:24:52 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: actress novels
She passes in and out in one scene, but what about the Alcharasi (Princess
??-?? - don't have it to hand): Daniel Deronda's biological mother?
Also in DD, Gwendolen's failed attempts to become an actress.
2 actress-novelists, but probably too late for your purposes, Elizabeth
Robins and Cicely Hamilton (William - An Englishman has just been reissued
by Persephone Books)
Lesley Hall
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:44:29 +1000
From: Ellen Jordan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: adultery; divorce
The cheeriest, least-judgmental treatment of adultery that I know of
is in Kipling's _Plain Tales from the Hills_ (1888) and
_Departmental Ditties_ (1886), though the latter contains at
least one grim version: "The Story of Uriah".
I haven't read either, but from all accounts the pinero plays _The
Second Mrs Tanqueray" and "The Notorious Mrs Ebbsmith" might be worth
a look.
Ellen Jordan
University of Newcastle
AUSTRALIA
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:44:29 +1000
From: Ellen Jordan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: William Barnes and Reverend
James Gregory writes:
> In my research on the British vegetarian movement I
> recently came across a letter from a Reverend Barnes,
I'd be very grateful if he could let me know the full signature on
the letter. Does it really say "Reverend Barnes" with no "the", no
"Mr", no name or initial? A number of times on this list I've
insisted that the nineteenth century convention was "the
Reverend Mr/Dr/Name/Initial surname". If there is a usage of
"Reverend Barnes" as early as the 1850s I'll have to revise my
views of the convention - which was explained to me when I was very
young by an uncle who was himself a C of E clergyman and
consequently became an almost unshakable conviction.
Ellen Jordan
University of Newcastle
AUSTRALIA
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:48:21 -0400
From: Hilary Attfield <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: William Barnes and Reverend
I would be interested too. My father, a Church of Scotland minister, also
insisted on the "Rev. Mr." I think he once proclaimed the "Reverend" to be
an adjective. I do remember that the Moderator of the Church of Scotland is
known as the "Very Rev Mr./Dr. ..."
>
>I'd be very grateful if he could let me know the full signature on
>the letter. Does it really say "Reverend Barnes" with no "the", no
>"Mr", no name or initial? A number of times on this list I've
>insisted that the nineteenth century convention was "the
>Reverend Mr/Dr/Name/Initial surname". If there is a usage of
>"Reverend Barnes" as early as the 1850s I'll have to revise my
>views of the convention - which was explained to me when I was very
>young by an uncle who was himself a C of E clergyman and
>consequently became an almost unshakable conviction.
>
>
>Ellen Jordan
>University of Newcastle
>AUSTRALIA
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:20:19 -0500
From: "Renata L. Kobetts Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: actress novels
I'd be interested in titles of actress novels--please post to the list or
cc me.
Thanks!
Renata Kobetts Miller
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:47:31 +1000
From: Susan Tridgell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Books on Darwin
Thanks to Professor Moody for her wonderful email on Darwin. I would add
that the Desmond and Moore biography shows both the power and danger of
biography. Their account of Darwin's illness as psychosomatic is extremely
compelling as a story; but it is less compelling for readers who've
followed debates in New Scientist about exactly which South American
microbe it was which made Darwin's life such a misery. This is of enormous
importance: it changes your whole view of Darwin's character if you don't
believe he was a hypochondriac.
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Susan Tridgell
Department of English
Australian National University
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:02:44 +1000
From: Allison Bambrick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Adultery/Divorce
Don't forget Wilkie Collins' Basil which has a significant portrayal of
adultery.
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Allison M L Bambrick
Dept of English
University of Queensland
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There are two tragedies in life. One is not to get your hearts desire.
The other is to get it.
George Bernard Shaw
MAN AND SUPERMAN
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:05:16 +1000
From: Allison Bambrick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: actress novels
Wilkie Collins' No Name might fit the bill. It contains significant
depictions of the heroine Madelaine's involvement in the theatre, and
her acting skills are crucial in the intrigues which follow.
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Allison M L Bambrick
Dept of English
University of Queensland
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There are two tragedies in life. One is not to get your hearts desire.
The other is to get it.
George Bernard Shaw
MAN AND SUPERMAN
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:41:08 -0500
From: Ellen Moody <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The Reverend Mr . . .
I'd like to respond to Ellen Jordan's comment with a non sequitor.
She writes:
Does it really say "Reverend Barnes" with no "the", no
"Mr", no name or initial? A number of times on this list I've
insisted that the nineteenth century convention was "the
Reverend Mr/Dr/Name/Initial surname". If there is a usage of
"Reverend Barnes" as early as the 1850s I'll have to revise my
views of the convention - which was explained to me when I was very
young by an uncle who was himself a C of E clergyman and
consequently became an almost unshakable conviction.
As a result of discussions I have read on more than one list I
had taught myself to type Rev Mr or Rev Dr with the initial
and surname. However, I was recently told by a publisher that
this is a solecism, and it is either Mr Barnes or Rev Barnes.
Now he may be citing 20th century usage, but that is the why
such people are referred to in all his books. Was it different
in the 19th century? I guess one could go through a number
of 19th century novels and check whether the novelist often
wrote Mr without the Rev or Rev without the Mr. My memory
tells me novelists do. Still I could be wrong. It has happened :)
Ellen Moody
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