The 'baby and the bathwater' analogy has its limits. Hegel in
Phneomenology of Mind(Spirit) was extemely prescient about matters of
the quantification and the mathematization of culture a theme echoed in
undecidedly un-Hegelian perspectives by every one from Adorno to Derrida
to Hayek. This is an aspect it seems to me that has special relevance to
poets, since it is poetry (as valueless as it has become because of its
own tendencies) that has been most left out in the cold by the shift to
a mathematized and quantized view of nature.
As far as Olson and 'dialectics.' I think we at first must make an
effort to define dialectics. We could learn much in our subsequent
failure to do so. In the short, I'm inclined to take what I perceive as
Ron Silliman's broad view and see Olson as a 'dialectician.'
Carlo Parcelli
Pierre Joris wrote:
>
> Keston -- dialectics shld stay in the 19th C (but didn't -- & messed up much
> of the 20th C, is why, in "Nomad manifesto" I claim this one, soon to be
> over if not done with, to be but the tail wagged by the 19th century dog)
> because the beast's duo-cephalic incarnation, "transcendentally" as Hegelian
> Über-Geist and "immanently" as Marxist dialectical materialism, qua
> methodologies for thought & action are finally rather poor, mechanistic
> tools,(as epistemological tekne-s somewhat on a par with the Wankel Motor)
> or ones that get us into more trouble than they are/ it's worth -- & don't
> seem able to deal with the actual complexities of world as we have come to
> know and partly understand them with this century's sciences. Dialectics
> remain in that sense a linear 3-term arithmetic needing belief in "progress"
> to power up the ever so linear incline towards (you pick your favorite),
> achieved "Weltgeist" or the stateless/classless society of realized
> communism. Both are, depending on how you want to look at it, advances on or
> avatars of Christian (or: greco-judeo-christian) eschatology. This does not
> mean that we should necessarily throw the dirty old men out with the
> bathwater: Marx can/should still be reread [and not only in Derridean terms,
> though certainly the latter's rereading is fascinating] -- for me, for ex.,
> in a reading where _Das Kapital_ (vol 1 at least) can best be sounded as a
> gothic novel. (& I somehow/somewhere still have an emotional, maybe childish
> attachment to what Sartre called "the insurmountable horizon of communism").
> The other d.o.m. can go with the bathwater, as I agree with Deleuze saying
> "What I detested more than anything else was Hegelianism and the Dialectic."
> Happy fin-de-siècle -- Pierre
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