JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for BRITISH-IRISH-POETS Archives


BRITISH-IRISH-POETS Archives

BRITISH-IRISH-POETS Archives


BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Monospaced Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

BRITISH-IRISH-POETS Home

BRITISH-IRISH-POETS Home

BRITISH-IRISH-POETS  1999

BRITISH-IRISH-POETS 1999

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

HNB

From:

[log in to unmask] (Peter Riley)

Reply-To:

[log in to unmask] (Peter Riley)

Date:

Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:26:14 +0000

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (69 lines)

Dear BPs

I couldn't get to the Colloquy and so didn't hear Ric's talk and haven't
grasped its content subsequently, so that what follows doesn't refer to it
at all, but---


All this about Open and Closed Poetry has been going on for about fifty
years in my experience and still hasn't started to make sense. I still
don't know what an Open poem is supposed to be. A simple binary opposition
seems to be being forced onto a multiple writing-reading process which
deserves something more complex.

Open is again and again correlated with Incomplete. But an open door is one
thing, an incomplete door is something very different. Why does it have to
be believed that any kind of finitude in a poem, any conclusiveness and any
formal patterning, in some way restricts the reader's potential and
represents something oppressive or mean-spirited? This has never been
shown or proved to be the case and I don't know any reason why it should
be. It goes against all my experience of reading older and oral poetries.
Like if you don't complete the structure syntactically but leave it "open"
or fragmented: This means you are opening imaginative possibilities to
the reader? Or this means you are leading the reader into a difficulty and
leaving him/her stuck there clueless and abandoned? It means you are
proposing freedoms, or it means you are proposing a self-hypnotic gerundive
suspension of human capacity?

So the basics need to be sorted out first. Is the Openness a condition of
the poem or an effect? Does the author's openness in some sense of freedom
of spirit, automatically transfer itself through the text as a quality of
goodwill by translating itself into broken lexical structures? It seems to
me not to, not without a craft of completion.

Why do we believe that brokenness is a virtue? Is it because we hate having
to buy complete packaged things called "products" and think life has been
ruined in this part of the world by shops selling "products"? Isn't that
obviously nonsense?

Or do we find instead that the oppressive and cruel things of the world,
like racism, are themselves likely to be incompletions, that they are are
the results of half-baked theories which don't follow logically to their
conclusions or don't attempt to include all the possibilities of the fields
of thought in which they claim to be operating? which silently omit
relevant matter or rest on unproven assumptions and leap over
non-sequiturs, and so in their own ways insist on being unfinished. The
thinking remains incomplete and is translated into harmful act because of
that. Is it claimed then that unfinishedness in poetry is a different and
special kind of unfinishedness from his?

These are very important basic issues concerning contemporary poetry which
people don't seem to want to face. There was a very interesting essay by
Nigel Wheale in an old PN Review ( I could probably find the reference)
about Pound, simply asking what do we make of the relationship between the
non-sequiturs of his poetical writing in the later Cantos as against the
non-sequiturs of his anti-semitic broadcasts during the war at the same
time. Can we really value the one very highly and ignore the other as
irrelevant when they both obviously spring from the same source? It means
asking what quality of thought and act in the world the Cantos and their
legacy actually propose.


/PR





%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

May 2024
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998
1997


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager