To anyone who may be following this, I wish to respond to Etienne - see
below - I choose to put this on the list, whether whoever wants to 'flame'
me or not. And what exactly does to 'flame' someone mean?

My decision to put Omar Abu el Rub's emails onto these two mailing lists,
was because of what I had received from other people from these lists.
There were request to pass info on to Serbia etc. - which is what I did,
and to ask people whom me may know to air their views - which I did. No-one
in the past few weeks asked for this war-related information to be left to
other sites, as you - Etienne now suggest.

I do not recall making a personal statement about how I think or feel about
any of the information that I have received, I have passed information on
in several directions. I find it most fascinating that by forwarding
someone else's views, I seemed to have been credited, by you, with sharing
the same thoughts. How does that work?

Is there some etiquette I am not aware of - do we only forward information
which we support? Must we declare our position? Am I expected to censor? Am
I to understand that we/you only want to receive and read and permit what
we/you agree with? Should all views and information that we do not support
be kept away from us. Is that the best way to deal with different views?
Does the suppression of materials work?

In what way is it useful to anyone that you attack me, Rivca, for passing
on information about a subject others opened up before me on this list,
information which - yes is real, and comes from a non-Milosevich
supporter, one who has been trying to find work outside his country for the
past year, whose work as a theatre director has been banned much of the
time (suppressing the plays/the company's/his views), and who, with family,
has been desperate to leave.

I learn little from your attack, but I personally welcome any information
you or anyone has that I can learn from about the situation, and that is
what I hoped would be achieved. Some informed reactions, not the call for
information not to be there.
I have not seen much evidence of people learning (i.e.changing their views)
as a result of attack, so if you are sure that you are right, how can the
'Omar Abu el Rub' of this world learn from you?

Well, my personal choice in life I guess is to seek to understand differing
views and positions as best I can, cause maybe then, there is a ground for
development.


Rivca


>At 12:39 +0100 20/04/99, Chris Paul wrote:
>>As I know both Omar Abu el Rub (real name) and Rivca Rubin I have
>>absolutely no doubt that they are certainly not fascists and that
>>Omar is writing in good faith and from the heart.
>
>I must point that I have not alleged who or who is or is not
>a fascist. I observe we are at the end of a propaganda process
>with an internet-typical rumour-like unability to check
>info sources. I pretend that the original actor of this propaganda
>is pan-serb fascist aministration. Both named actors are passive
>media in my point of view.
>Like in the exemple I give, most serbian are sincerely convinced
>the yugo army protected Sarajevo from a muslim agression, and
>they are democrats all at once.
>
>
>>But we could mutually agree to leave the war-discourse (mostly) to
>>other sites?
>
>exactly,
>I maintain my intention to flame Rivca for posting this forwarded
>(fascist) propaganda, and I defi him to defend an art-informative
>quality of his mail.
>The respect of thematic frames is essential to mailing-lists.
>
> other point : your friend should better leave Belgrad,
>it's not gonna get safer for Omars over there, as the thing
>goes on ; and it's still possible to leave. Soldiers certainly have orders
>to kill muslims in Kosovo ; it doesn't mean they wouldn't do it on their
>own will back home.
>
>
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>
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