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There are 8 messages totalling 222 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Degree query (4)
2. Bulwer-Lytton conference
3. Many thanks...
4. Teaching Mill's Subjection of Women
5. green grow the rushes
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:59:51 -0400
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Degree query
Hi!
I was reading a (modern) novel in which there are several references to a
character's "vanity" in using the title "Doctor" when he has "only" a
DPhil. I'm baffled by this, as I'd thought that a DPhil was the Oxford or
Cambridge equivalent of a PhD, and had been so since at least the 19C.
(I'd understood that the UK universities set up in the 19C used "PhD"
rather than "DPhil" to distinguish themselves from Oxbridge.) I'm now
hopelessly confused - please could some kind person explain the difference
between the two degrees and their associated titles? Many thanks.
With all good wishes
Chris
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:22:05 -0400
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Bulwer-Lytton conference
Hi!
Thought this might be of interest - apologies for cross-posting:
BULWER-LYTTON 2000
An International Conference on the Life and Work of Edward Bulwer-Lytton
5-7 July 2000
University of London Institute of English Studies
Speakers will include: Lord Blake, Prof. Michael Slater, Prof. Andrew
Sanders
Conference Organiser: Prof John Sutherland, University College London
Conference Co-ordinator: Dr Michael Baron, Birkbeck College
Details from the Institute of English Studies - www.sas.ac.uk/ies/ or
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All the best
Chris
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:38:00 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Degree query
In response to Chris Willis's query, I think this niggle is about calling
oneself 'Doctor' when one is not a (medical) doctor, rather than about
evaluation of specific higher degrees. Marie Stopes was often supposed to be
a medical dr because she called herself 'Dr' Stopes on the basis of her PhD
in palaeobotany (?sp!) from Munich - and accrued a certain amount of flak
for doing so. I wonder to what extent - in the UK, anyway - the use of the
title of Dr outside the strictly academic milieu has been at all general,
except for medics and to some extent clerics with a DD (Dr Arnold e.g.)
Lesley Hall
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:23:20 -0400
From: Antje Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Degree query
I'd agree with Lesley Hall that this is probably about the medical /
non-medical use of "Dr.". As to the nonmedical use of the title, I always
thought it was interesting that in some regions of the US (especially in
the South), Ph.D.s who are teaching college are addressed as "Dr.",
whereas in other regions "Professor" is the only address. To give this a
Victorian spin, I wonder whether this difference in usage has 19th century
origins or not. I take it the British address is usually "Professor"?
Antje Anderson
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Antje Schaum Anderson
English Department
Dickinson College East College 408
Carlisle, PA 17018 Ext. 1359
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:01:13 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Degree query
>Victorian spin, I wonder whether this difference in usage has 19th century
>origins or not. I take it the British address is usually "Professor"?
>
No - Professor in UK only refers to individuals who have a University Chair
in a particular subject (or in some cases a personal professorship)
Lesley Hall
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:33:40 -0700
From: Jack Kolb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Many thanks...
Thanks again, Phoebe. Serendipity is a great thing. If you locate a
closer picture of the woodspurge, I'd appreciate knowing about. Cheers, Jack.
>In a message dated 6/14/99 3:51:17 AM, you wrote:
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><<I even managed to find
>what looks like a woodspurge with a cup of three!
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>
>Jack -- I had found that one, too, and had the url to send you and then
>forgot it was in my "to-be-sent box." There's some more info at
>http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/alphalist.html
>
>I went searching a little after woodspurge, mostly because I love the
>searching. Such serendipity. I often get far far away from my original
>questions -- but the 'net is a fascinating place.
>
>best
>phoebe
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:08:50 -0400
From: richard vandewetering <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Teaching Mill's Subjection of Women
Dear Victorianists
I have co-edited (with L.A. Jacobs, York) a volume of Mill's
Subjection of Women with excerpts from 11 contemporary critics
(1869-1914) and 6 modern critics. This 430 page book would be useful as
a text for course focusing on
1) Mill
2) Victorian women's history
3) Feminist theory courses using Mill
My publisher (Caravan) has asked me to submit a list of lecturers who
teach such courses so that they can send out complimentary copies. This
book costs approximately $40 paperback so it is not appropriate for a
course which treats the Subjection of Women in one week. Does this fit
the needs of any one? Private responses are probably best.
Richard VandeWetering
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:10:50 EDT
From: RICK ALBRIGHT <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: green grow the rushes
>> It was originally by Robert Burns, still well known here in Scotland
>> with rushes given the Scots spelling of rashes
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>It's not by Burns (as has already been pointed out, Green Grow the
>Rashes-O is entirely different) and it's not American, as another
>poster suggested.
In reading all the postings on this topic, it sounds like at least two,
perhaps three, different songs are being discussed. One is indeed by
Burns. The Mellor and Metlak anthology lists a poem of this title
(subtitled "A Fragment") by Burns. I've heard at least two recordings of
this version, one of which is by Cherish the Ladies and is on a Green
Linnet CD entitled _New Day Dawning_, and also the anthology _The Voice of
Celtic Women_ (www.greenlinnet.com). "Rashes" has been rendered "rushes,"
but the lyrics are the same and are attributed to Burns.
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Rick Albright, Department of English
Lehigh University, Bethlehem PA 18015
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On the web: www.lehigh.edu/~rsa2/rsa2.html
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