Dear Paulo - When I was doing my PhD some yrs ago on the 8th century
church, there were decress of several Carolingian synods, which were
deeply prejudiced about Episcopi Vagantes who, it was suggested, mihgt
have been very casually consecratsed. I do seem to remember that the Irish
tended to be Vagantes more than say the Anglo-Saxons did; their poetry (at
least back in Ireland) suggests tha6t they wandered a lot too. I think the
idea of TERRITORIAL bishops wasn't big with the Irish at this time. You
ever checked "Monumenta Moguntina", the Mainz records? And I think any
work on St. Boniface wd refer to some of this. Pardon Tillinghast
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, paulo soares wrote:
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:00:50 -0300
> From: paulo soares <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Scotti Peregini
>
> Dear all, (specialy Pardon Tilingast),
>
> Could you write a little more about this kind of "prejudice" (I know that
> it is NOT a good word) that Scotti suffered?
> And, I've been reading <i>Navigatio Sancti Brendani Abbatis<i>, edited by
> Carl Selmer, University of Notre Dame, 1959, and I've found on pages xxviii
> and
> xxix of the introductory part some coments on the influence of these
> <i>Scotti<i> in the writings of the Ottonian period. So, I'd like to ask a
> little more question on this subject. Dave Fortin said: "calling for Irish
> monks to travel to places where their learning was needed. The Irish
> schools were very highly regarded". They were called to teach. i've read
> about this monks, and Ireland, as a special place of knowledge, sspecialy
> for keep save many anciets documents and books and a "more pure" form of
> latim. But some one could tell me more about this knowledgement in Ireland?
>
> Thanks since now,
>
> Paulo
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> > De: Pardon E. Tillinghast <[log in to unmask]>
> > Para: [log in to unmask]
> > Assunto: Re: Scotti Peregini
> > Data: Segunda-feira, 28 de Setembro de 1998 09:24
> >
> > Mr. Shaw: you may remember that in Carolingian times there were various
> > church canons against bishops ordained by Irish; they were felt to be in
> > some way not quite according to Hoyle. But I do remember that these rules
> > appear in various eccl. assemblies. I think they were considered too
> > 'vaganti', and not staying in one place as Carolingians were supposed to.
> > Pardon Tillinghast
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, F Shaw wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:47:52 +0100 (BST)
> > > From: F Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Scotti Peregini
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, paulo soares wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I was reading a review concerning an edition of J. Carracedo Fraga.
> > > > <i>Liber de ortu et obitu patriarcharvm<i>, and I found this
> expression, in
> > > > this sentence: "These seem to have come from Bavaria where there was
> a
> > > > presence of <i>Scoti peregrini</i> in
> > > > the scriptorium (p.10). ". I've read it at Bryn Mawr.
> > > > Can anyone tell me more about these <i>Scoti peregrini<i>???
> > > >
> > > > Thanks since now,
> > > >
> > > > Paulo
> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Dear Paolo,
> > >
> > > The centre of Irish monasticism in Bavaria was Regensburg. The only
> > > book in English that comes to mind is Mark Dilworth's Scots in
> Franconia
> > > 1974, which in spite of its title will touch on Bavaria. An excellent
> > > source of knowledge on such matters is Professor Ludwig Hammermayer,
> > > accessible through the Department of History at Munich University. I
> > > have a publication of his at home, the title of which escapes me. If
> > > your German is good read the introduction to my Karl der Grosse und die
> > > schottischen Heiligen, Deutsche Texte des Mittelalters 71 (I think),
> and
> > > that to Padraig A. Breatnach's Regensburger Schottenlegende, Munich
> > > 1977. Unless somebody else comes up with additional information in the
> > > meantime I can come back to you on this.
> > >
> > > Best wishes - Frank Shaw
> > >
> > >
>
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