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Subject:

RE: Meeting the GMSC

From:

"Paul Caldwell" <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Mon, 8 Jun 98 21:37:17 UT

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unfortunately the HAs are the only practical source of managerial resources 
until PCG can train their own. I cannot seriously believe that GPs and DNs 
will suddenly become skilled managers on 1st april 99!

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From: 	[log in to unmask] on behalf of Ruth Livingstone
Sent: 	08 June 1998 04:37
To: 	[log in to unmask]
Subject: 	RE: Meeting the GMSC



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From: 	[log in to unmask] on behalf of PETER FELLOWS
Sent: 	Sunday, June 07, 1998 10:47
To: 	Ahmad Risk; GP-UK; DFI
Subject: 	Re: Meeting the GMSC

<snip>
Our LMC "PCG steering group"  sees merit in trying
to promote a single county-wide "primary care group", and we will be putting
that to  the full LMC  next week. Pulling back to county level would seem to
me to be the only realistic way to avoid a massive increase in NHS
management costs/ management personnel, and will dilute the problems of
rationing by postcode. Let's reinvent the FPC. How many of you would go
along with that? It would be useful to have your thoughts  before I try to
sell it to the GMSC.

                                           Peter Fellows

In our area, South Lincolnshire, we would be strongly opposed to a county wide 

PCG. One of the problems *we* face is being constantly overlooked when it 
comes to doling out resources, due to our geographical distance from the 
headquarters of our FHSA, and due to the fact that our main providers are out 
of county. (For example, it seems that none of the waiting list initiative 
money will come our way, because Lincolnshire Health only wants to use the 
money within Lincolnshire Trusts.) I am sure there are many instances when 
provision of health care on a locality basis makes sense, and where, 
alternatively, the provision of health care on a county basis leaves certain 
sections of the community at a serious disadvantage.

On what basis do you presume large organisations are cheaper to run? My 
experience of practices is that after the practice has grown to a critical 
mass (about 4 partners) any increase in partners leads to  increases in 
administration complexity and administration costs rise. The Kings Fund 
release evidence recently that showed the optimum size for a commissioning 
group was 30,000 patients. This means proposed PCG sizes of 100,000 are 
already too large for efficient management, at least at level 2.

The key to success for PCG is GP control on the management boards. At the 
moment, health authorities seem hell bent on retaining control. Since the WP 
assumes that PCGs are going to grow in power and that HAs are going to 
diminish dramatically, it has always seemed perverse (to me) to expect HAs to 
preside over their own demise. Of course they will fight tooth and nail to  
retain power and influence and will seek to populate the PCG governing bodies 
with their own employees. We need a commitment from the government that true 
power will reside with the GPs and Nurses within PCGs. It is completely 
unacceptable for HAs to have control over bodies which should, effectively, be 

replacing them.

-- 
Ruth Livingstone
http://www.stamford.co.uk/littlesurgery/













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