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Subject:

Re: NVUG is NOT part of Reuters

From:

[log in to unmask] (Adrian Midgley)

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Date:

Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:17:44 -0000

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Julian and Laurie, 

>To: "GP-UK" <[log in to unmask]>
>From: Julian Bradley <[log in to unmask]>
>As a not particularly satisfied VAMP user I would still very much
SUPPORT
>Laurie Miles right to post and discuss VAMP related issues through this
>mailbase.

Absolutely, so would I.  And would do so publicly but for the risk 
of boring people with a continued discussion.

>I hope Laurie you will be willing to continue.  I may actually migrate
from
>VAMP, depends of availability of finances, but I do agree that the user
>group has made a valuable difference and I continue to pay my
subscription.

Again, absolutely.
I am sure that _NVUG_ would not have unanimously elected me chairman.

>Julian Bradley
-----------------------------
What bothers me, and the genesis of the comment about commercialism 
on an academic list, is that the stated policy of NVUG of publicly 
...um, er, think of a word - "not saying exactly what they think 
sometimes" - ing

while admirably polite, politic and according to their reckoning 
having a definite value to their members, does align them with the 
commercial interests of the company and is not perfectly defensible 
should somebody be persuaded by their public uttereances that RHI is 
more precisely reflective of its users' desires than say the Exeter 
System supplier and that therefore they should buy VM rather than 
Exeter.

The experience of SMUG with RHI is that while we were being polite 
and cooperative no activity of which we approved occurred - at least 
with SM - and that following forthright and public comments by 
ourselves and Liverpool HA action of which we did approve appeared 
to restart.

The expectation of the users is that regardless of what we do the 
system will follow the path established in previous takeovers, AMC 
and Genisyst (according to various users of those systems, anyway)
with minimal development, with a migration of the people in the 
company whose emotional capital, promotion and intellectual property 
is bound up with the taken-over system, and a domination in the 
company of the managers, developers and users of the previous 
system leading to very poor value for money.

The takeover of Vamp by RHI is of course completely unlike this, 
since no other GP system was in place beforehand, and yet, few would 
honestly argue that RHI do not show an inclination to migrate users 
from VM to ViSion rather than develop the older system as 
energetically.  If nothing else, the unit profit on the Windows 
based system is liable to be higher, as are the support costs and 
the absolute value of a perfectly reasonable markup on those costs.

VM is praised even by its detractors and ex-users for its stability 
and robustness - obviously nobody is going to make a business thrive 
on the low level of support needed for a thoroughly understood, 
simple, user-friendly system which has had so many years debugging 
done on it, and the corresponding low level of profit that can be 
made on those low fees.

So, I would support postings to GP-Uk or anywhere else about 
anything, but deplore them if they are intended to supress or defuse 
criticism with the intention of gain.
--- OffRoad 1.9r registered to Adrian Midgley


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