Hi Susan,
Great questions! I'd love to work with you. And we may have another volunteer also!
Greta
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Hi all
I can help with this, being a frequent, grateful, user of online texts. Agree that it's really important to clear whether a resource is open or behind a paywall, that is, to use plain English, whether one has to pay to get the text or not, or be a member of an institution which has paid.
The page as it stands is a very useful, clear introduction to what a beginning student of Classics might expect to the the less arcane, easier, aspect of study - just finding a text, or a set of texts, but which is in fact rather hard to understand, since there is no end of online stuff - libraries, and individual works, and sets of an author's works, all with weird unintelligible ever-changing relationships between them. So we should make an effort to make it *the* most up-to-date page.
It doesn't mention for example, Latin wikisource - but then perhaps it shouldn't as how can one tell where the text comes from?
Susan
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hi paolo,
i think you are right, at least here in italy there has been a phase when a lot of classicists did purchase a copy of the TLG and PHI cdroms.
maurizio
Il 23/09/20 08:45, Paolo Monella ha scritto:
I agree with all suggestions made. One minor note: I suspect that old TLG and PHI 5.3 CD-roms are still circulating out there (which explains the well deserved success of Diogenes), so the information related to them might not be as historical as it looks to us DHers.
On October 6 at 17:00 UK time we'll have our next DC wiki sprint: see https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.digitalclassicist.org/Wiki_editing*Wiki_editing_sprints__;Iw!!OToaGQ!7kFNc_ST2_ANDPInE6lTnyAxxbTsbEQUkP_n7HJNlgESwfKSmKmvw5z4FEatT8HgYw$
The Oct. 6 sprint is scheduled to have "prosopography" as theme, but I think it'd be an excellent idea to add a "Greek/Latin corpora" second theme, and to use that occasion to have our little "corpora task force" convene, coordinate and work on that page (we normally use IRC during wiki sprints, but we occasionally switch to video-conferences set up on the flight, as needed).
Still, any work on the page before (or after) the sprint is welcome.
On that afternoon (Oct. 6), I'll probably spend some 30' in a Q&A session of the online CLARIN conference, in which I have a paper as co-author. Other than that, I'll be in the party (and happy to be in the corpora task force).
All best,
Paolo
Il 22/09/20 22:45, maurizio lana ha scritto:
hi greta, i can volunteer if the times are a little relaxed.
i am starting the courses in new ways this year and this could put a high requirement in terms of time and brain.
nevertheless i would be happy to contribute. moreover peter is a friend and i would like to do things with him, and with you!
maurizio
Il 22/09/20 15:49, Greta Boers ha scritto:
I agree-it would be great if there is some consistent formatting for each source, which would include meta-data like proprietary or not; purchase information if required; registration information; best browsers/viewers, etc. Like a catalog record (said the librarian) with a link to the fuller information in the wiki as Gabby suggests. For a first meeting, however it is convened, we might discuss criteria for such entries.
I am still educating myself. Right now I going back and forth between the https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.digitalclassicist.org/Category:Epigraphy__;!!OToaGQ!7kFNc_ST2_ANDPInE6lTnyAxxbTsbEQUkP_n7HJNlgESwfKSmKmvw5z4FEY4BJzY5Q$ (and the others similar) and the https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.digitalclassicist.org/Greek_and_Latin_texts_in_digital_form*TLG__;Iw!!OToaGQ!7kFNc_ST2_ANDPInE6lTnyAxxbTsbEQUkP_n7HJNlgESwfKSmKmvw5z4FEaGB5ztyg$ to see how they are related and different, as there seems to be some overlap.
So far, I have read opinions and suggestions from Peter and Maurizio. Is that the same as volunteering?!!
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hi gabriel,
as we are re-reading the whole matter, i think that we should probably have an eye about the matter of the licenses and openness/closeness of the textual resources.
i mean, it could be useful to properly describe for every resource if it is open or close, and in which degree.
and possibly to do it in a 'regularized' way, say for example a recurring paragraph for every resource with head: "access licence", or something like this.
and the same for the description of software.
maurizio
Il 22/09/20 13:28, Gabriel Bodard ha scritto:
I'm not sure I'd agree the description of the TLG on that page is especially inappropriate in tone, but Peter is right that it is out of date (reference to the CDRom #E should perhaps be relegated to a historical footnote), but discussion of other options, and the open access features of the TLG site are probably worth a mention. Note also that this is a very short description in the context of this overview page, and should link to the fuller description of the TLG (as all the other resources and tools mentioned) elsewhere in the DC Wiki.
I'd certainly be delighted if Greta and others wanted to convene a mini-sprint or an ongoing interest group to bring and keep this page up to date, as I think it is a rare case of an overview page that is more useful in its own right than a generated category page would be, especially if there are brief comparisons of the coverage, functionality, price and other features of the resources listed. Please let me know what I can do to help!
(You'd all be more than welcome to use one of the upcoming Wiki sprints [e.g. Oct 6, Nov 3] as a first meeting/work event for such a group, if the timing worked.)
Best,
Gabby
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I just looked at this page and it does need an update. The section on the TLG is ridiculously tendentious and inaccurate. It reads like a sales pitch. Happy to help with editing it.
Peter
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H Gabby,
I agree about adopting the page: I just looked at the site this morning. It's been ages since I looked at it last. Thank you Gabby, and others, for doing such stellar work. I'd be glad to start an update to the page, using the suggestions put forward at Gabby's invitation below. Gabby, do you envision simple updates or a reorganization of the page?
However, I'd really like a partner or two. We could divide up the work quite nicely. We could even have a online Wikipedia party! Across time zones? A competition between librarians and scholars to see who makes the most updates? Or if those suggestions make it too complicated, we could just find a few volunteers and go from there.
Anyone up for it?
Thanks,
Greta
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Thanks for pointing this out. I wonder if this is a good time to appeal to the community for any additions to this page, which was compiled several years ago now (and it seems the only additions to the Greek and Latin content sine 2014 have been by me, and so will be very very partial).
For example, it would be good to see the reference to the Perseus texts mention not only the fairly basic "native" search interface, but also the excellent "Perseus under Philologic" tool at UChicago, the new Scaife Viewer, and the partly derived Diorisis corpus, which now has a dedicated linguistic search interface. I'm sure there are other facets I'm missing here, and the same may be true for some of the other corpora mentioned.
Please feel free to send new suggestions in reply to this thread. But if someone would like to adopt the page and execute a major update, that would be wonderful!
All best,
Gabby
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Try
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Best wishes, Mike
On 20/09/2020 19:37, Carlos Carvalhar wrote:
Hi there,
Up to today, I have used only TLG and I'd like to text other tools to
search for greek and latin text. I am pretty sure they exist and
almost sure that someone already shared it here in this list, but I
don't remember the software or site's name.
As I don't recall the name, I can't search for it.
So, could you share with me the name\sites of these resources for
digital classics, like TLG?
Thank you all in advance.
Carlos
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