Hi Teresa,
> I never figured how to link up with VIAF… it seemed to have to go through some sort of union catalogue (so in a peverse way I’m please to hear the Archive Hub has continued to have problems)
Well, in our own cataloguing tool we connect to the API for VIAF, so you just start to type a name and VIAF gives you a number of options - if you choose one, your form populates with all the information for that person, as if by magic, and includes the VIAF ID. Clearly to do that you need to know how to connect to the API! But then archival management systems should really be able to do that - it isn't difficult for a programmer - only most of them don't.
We tend to think in terms of 'authority' as something within a repository, and that's fine, but then there are often many different versions of a name. if we can use identifiers that are shared, we can connect our wonderful resources with loads of other resources. I suppose to me, authority records are there to give context to a catalogue, but they can also enable us to connect our catalogues to the wider world, which is an exciting prospect!
cheers,
Jane.
> On 26 Mar 2020, at 17:28, Teresa Doherty <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Hi
>
> Ahhhh, the old Catalogue authority record / Wikipedia chestnut
>
> The thing about authority records on catalogues is that they are there to give context to the catalogue – and not just for people but organisations and businesses.
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> The nice thing about an authority record in a catalogue system is that you have control over who can edit it – which is really important if you want to put across certain contextual information which makes more sense of the archives that you hold. So it truly is a controlled authority record.
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> On the other hand Wikipedia is a lovely lovely thing, but can be edited by anyone including their superusers. So you can write something that is perfect and come back later to find it’s changed rather a lot. That’s Wikipedia’s beauty and its curse.
>
> My advice has always been, build up a group of authority records in your catalogue and then (get volunteers) to reuse them on Wikipedia, maybe broadening them and linking to various sources. The link to the catalogue is fantastic, but needs to be to a persistent url otherwise you’ll annoy people with broken links.
>
> I never figured how to link up with VIAF… it seemed to have to go through some sort of union catalogue (so in a peverse way I’m please to hear the Archive Hub has continued to have problems)
>
> Keep well,
>
> Teresa
>
>
>
> From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
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> When I first raised this, I chatted with someone at Wikipedia, and they were very keen to progress it (including possibly incorporating ISAAR fields). So unlikely Wikipedia police would have been an issue.
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> On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:39, Jane Stevenson
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi,
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> I agree about Wikipedia, but then the beauty of using agreed global identifiers is that you enter the world of Linked Data, and then you can think about links to all sorts of things. If you look at a VIAF page:http://viaf.org/viaf/86607236/ - you can see that there are many aliases, as well as links to wikipedia (in the About section). The VIAF ID also links to wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q242666
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> Of course, we cannot be sure that the VIAF ID is the right thing to use, and it is only available for known people and organisation (though the coverage is surprisingly wide). But it still has great advantages, and it has gained traction.
>
> I've asked VIAF about adding names from the Archives Hub - they are interested but told me to come back later! Not sure if that is fobbing me off or just waiting until they are in a position to work with more external agencies.
>
> NB: One problem with wikipedia that we found when we experimented with it is that you can add links...and then the wikipedia police remove them. This seemed to happen rather inconsistently.
>
> cheers,
> Jane.
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> Jane Stevenson
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> > On 26 Mar 2020, at 13:41, Becky Sheldon (Commissioning Communities and Policy) <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > Hi,
> >
> > For several years we have discussed the possibility of organising a Wikihack (Derby Museums did one about 6 years ago). There are various issues with us as archive services using Wikipedia, primarily down to the rules of Wikipedia themselves, such as be independent and not promoting specific organisations and services and only including information which can be verified by which they explicitly mean published. Of course, these are good rules and quite understandable.
> >
> > Given the current situation, one of my colleagues is looking into this in more detail and we hope that may be will be able to organise volunteers to look into in the future. Hopefully as we will generally be referring to our catalogue and any relevant blog posts rather than the specific content of individual archives, we shouldn’t fall foul of the rules regarding quoting unpublished work, and we are making sure we stick to the rules regarding promotion of the service.
> >
> > Depending on how we get on I’m sure my colleague will write a blog post or publish something about our experience with it
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Becky Sheldon | Archivist | Commissioning, Communities and Policy | Derbyshire County Council | Derbyshire Record Office, New Street, Matlock, DE4 3FE | Reception: 01629 538347
> >
> >
> > From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: 26 March 2020 13:31
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Name authority files - query on what you use?
> >
> > I started advocating years ago that Archivists should use the External Links section on Wikipedia to add links to their collection descriptions about individuals, organisations, etc. This would have facilitated unambiguous identification and enabled resources relating to the same people, etc. to be brought together.
> >
> > Whether we like it or not, most people will Google a name, and the Wikipedia entry will usually be amongst the first results they get. Archivists could have ensured the accuracy within these Wikipedia 'Authority Records' by acting as Wiki Angels - updating and correcting existing entries, creating a new entry if none existed, etc.
> >
> > We could also have facilitated 'mass user' projects - utilising volunteers (e.g. local history society members, who often tend to have an encyclopedic knowledge of particular indivudials and organisations) to assist with the up keep and creation of Wikipedia page.
> >
> > If we'd started doing this years ago, we'd be much further down the road of facilitating access to our collections via this route, rather than where we are now, which is still talking about how best to do it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Emma
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:57, Jane Stevenson
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Hi Charlotte,
> >
> > The Archives Hub team takes in huge amounts of descriptions from hundreds of repositories, and these records obviously include names, sometimes from the 'authority files' within the repository's own system. We also give quite a bit of training on cataloguing and interoperability and spend a good deal of our time thinking about good data.
> >
> > In terms of NCA Rules, I would say that a good deal of the advice is fit for purpose, but not all of it. Some of it works fine in a pre-digital world, but is not so relevant now. I have a particular issue with hyphenated and compound surnames, for example, as the advice is to 'use the last word as the entry element', so the surname gets chopped up. The most important thing is consistency and good structure, because that helps with machine processing. After that, the best thing you can do is to use a globally recognised identifier alongside the name, because then you identify the person or organisation unambiguously, and that can potentially enable resources to be brought together. We encourage the use of VIAF for this. There is more about that in a blog post I did some time ago on a Linked Data project: https://blog.archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/category/linking-lives/ However, I don't think many archival systems encourage adding this type of identifier.
> >
> > We are just about to start a pilot project on bringing names into the Archives Hub and I'm doing some work on looking at different identifiers, which I'll aim to blog about. We will work with the names we have on the Archives Hub, but it is likely that we can only work with names that have life dates and that are well-structured, because we will need to implement algorithms to create name records and match them. Name matching is really important as a means to make connections and join archives up with other resources.
> >
> > There is so much more that can be said about names! I think one problem is that systems may restrict what you can do. But always think about structure and use of dividers - so surname, forename (dates) is a good structure. The best thing is a system that actually identifies the different parts of a name, as then they are semantically identified and they can be displayed in different ways, but most do not do this unfortunately.
> >
> > By the way, we have just taken exports from Epexio, but the files didn't include creator names or names as index terms, so I'm not sure how names are entered in or outputted from Epexio.
> >
> > all the best,
> > Jane.
> >
> > Jane Stevenson
> > Archives Hub Service Manager
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> > > On 23 Mar 2020, at 12:25, Becky Sheldon (Commissioning Communities and Policy) <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > > Hi Charlotte,
> > >
> > > This is a very timely email as we have just identified name authority files as something that can be worked on from home (at least in getting started, many might need to be completed when we can all have full and regular access to our collections again).
> > >
> > > Our procedures still refer to NCA and ISAAR rules, but we would certainly be interested to know if we should have moved on?
> > >
> > > I expect by the end of all of this we will all be completely up to date on such matters J
> > >
> > > Best wishes to everyone!
> > >
> > > Becky Sheldon | Archivist | Commissioning, Communities and Policy | Derbyshire County Council | Derbyshire Record Office, New Street, Matlock, DE4 3FE | Reception: 01629 538347
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> > >
> > > From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charlotte Berry
> > > Sent: 23 March 2020 12:14
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> > > Subject: Name authority files - query on what you use?
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> > > Dear all
> > >
> > > In the odd situation of having no readers and very few enquiries at present, I am able to block out some time for getting on with sorting out some indexing and also migrating some pdf/scanned catalogues into our new system Epexio.
> > >
> > > I am currently planning on using NCA Rules as this is what I am most familiar with. Is there any consensus out there on what other folk are using? I am conscious I haven't done much indexing work since contributing to the Archives Hub c 2003-2007 (ahem), so are the NCA Rules hugely outdated by now or are folk still using them? They seemed to do the job very well at the time, but I am aware that ISAAF has been released since then. Are many people using that instead? Or something else entirely?
> > >
> > > I am happy to post a summary of responses for the list, and I am aware that I may well be outdated here!
> > >
> > > We are also about to start a major cataloguing project here (a challenge in itself at present with homeworking etc) so it would be good to have a decision made on name authorities, as these will be a key element of that particular project.
> > >
> > > I look forward to hearing from you, and hope you are all keeping well.
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> > > Best wishes
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> > > Charlotte
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