Ps... I've just added commenting ability for the poster too and will attempt to annotate the poster with the comments people are leaving on it at RDA.
On 2019/10/22, 20:04, "Parton, Graham (STFC,RAL,RALSP)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Nick and Andrew,
Links as requested:
Poster:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1p6l0YAPcnf16k0uPmspd6xohuDYGjQbufpV8ieMRVIo/edit?usp=sharing
Presentation (note - may get a few more edits before Thursday's session based on the feedback from the poster session tomorrow):
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1H9CipT4hk5cxOJ3vmv1VKuinG-wxzJqzasDHblhnvrA/edit?usp=sharing
Kind regards,
graham
On 2019/10/22, 18:29, "Research Data Management discussion list on behalf of Rochlin, Nicholas" <[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Grahem,
I also won't be able to attend, but am very interested in your work and would love to see any links you could share.
Cheers,
Nick
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From: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Andrew McHugh
Sent: October 22, 2019 5:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Licence classifications
Hi Graham,
I won't be attending RDA unfortunately but I'd be very interested to see your poster and presentation if you have links.
Cheers,
Andrew
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From: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Graham Parton - UKRI STFC
Sent: 22 October 2019 12:36
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Licence classifications
Hi Allyson and all interested ….
Allyson - this is perfect timing for the licence classification discussions that are likely to take place here at RDA 14 – Helsinki (the Licence work of SWO gets a special mention 😊 ).
If people are at RDA and want to engage I’ve a poster (number 60) up for you to have a look at and write your comments on (it’s an ‘interactive’ poster, so do engage!) and I’m also presenting about this in the “Mixed licences and access types in repository based research outputs – a UX challenge” session (Thurs 24th, 11 am in the Dipoli, Palaver venue).
If you can’t make it, but want to see the poster or presentation I can send links to both of these 😊
Cheers,
Graham
From: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Allyson Lister <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, 22 October 2019 at 13:11
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Licence classifications
Hi all,
Apologies for addingt a little something to a slightly older thread, but we've just released SWO 1.7. SWO is a software ontology that is a resource for describing software tools, their types, tasks, versions, licences, provenance and associated data. The most recent update has created a cleaner hierarchy and performed a number of housekeeping operations. However, of relevance to this thread is its licence and licence clause hierarchies. It shows a little bit about what can be done with respect to classifying licences using an ontology. We would be happy to have the input of the community as to what we have, and what we may be missing.
You can find SWO (and its issue tracker if you have any questions) at https://github.com/allysonlister/swo . The latest release lives at https://github.com/allysonlister/swo/tree/master/release and you can find a short summary of the licence hierarchy at https://github.com/allysonlister/swo/blob/master/LicenceHierarchy.md
We are indexed at OLS (https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols/ontologies/swo), Ontobee (http://www.ontobee.org/ontology/SWO), and BioPortal (http://bioportal.bioontology.org/ontologies/SWO), although as we've just pushed this new release, it will take a few days or so to propagate the latest version to those sites.
Thanks very much,
Allyson
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:52, Graham Parton - UKRI STFC <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hi all,
Just following up on the previous correspondence we've been having re. Licences and classifications.
I'm now planning on heading to the RDA plenary in Helsinki for the first time and will be getting my RDA-bearings between now and during the plenary itself... is there anyone already thinking of taking this discussion there at all at the plenary to move this forward in a CODATA/RDA/Other forum? I'd certainly like to be part of the discussions, but being relatively new to such groups I'm not sure how it all works! __
Cheers,
Graham
On 2019/06/21, 09:42, "Research Data Management discussion list on behalf of Graham Parton - UKRI STFC" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> on behalf of [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hi Andrew/all.
Andrew - On your last point re. geographical restrictions I think this touches on the area of classification that we're dealing with too. We also have data that are limited by category: geographic is one of them, the other is by user/use type and sometimes these are linked... e.g. data only available to users from UK academic institutes. Conveying these nuances of _access_ restrictions and which licence applies to the permitted group is important. Indeed, there are cases where multiple licences may take effect for a given dataset, dependant on the type of user/use-case*, e.g. one licence may be in effect for commercial users whilst another may be in effect for all other use-cases.
* I say user/use-case as I think these discussions could also do with a focus here as a way to identify a way forward from this choice (I've been both used in licences). The first is the type of user, i.e. what sort of category does the user fall into, e.g. private user, someone from industry (commercial), academic etc. Whilst the latter is about the specific use-case that the user wishes to make use of the resource for, e.g. personal use, commercial use, academic use etc. I think this latter approach, i.e. use-centric, is better as it is easier to apply in cases such as an academic user who is doing policy/personal/commercial work, not academic work... though how you _define_ these terms is always interesting __ (e.g. it can be tricky to establish academic use when there's also a commercial partner involved in the project - though we've addressed that by requiring the outputs to be available in the open literature so there's no gain limited to just the commercial partner where there's a requirement to prevent direct commercial gain)
It would be great to see these discussions continue to develop and it sounds like there are a couple of forums that offer potential ways forward to this, either just one route or as a cross-forum approach.
As these discussions will take a while to mature into some sort of standard/framework, in the meanwhile I'll have to seek a step forward in our categorisation to allow an internal project to continue to develop. This might make a useful real-use case to help with these discussions.
Cheers,
Graham
On 2019/06/19, 08:07, "Research Data Management discussion list on behalf of Andrew McHugh" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> on behalf of [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hi all,
This is a really interesting topic, and again, from our perspective at the Urban Big Data Centre, a timely one. I'd be very interested in ways that we can contribute our experiences of licensing access to datasets, either through CASRAI or RDA.
The point around communicating rights and responsibilities to end users is a relevant one for us. We're always looking for ways to distil the essential content of licenses to users in an accessible and meaningful way, while not wishing to lose any of the meaning. Is there a way to simplify a reasonably nuanced licence in a non-lossy fashion? Our legal colleagues might argue that everything in the licence is relevant and essential.
One other high level attribute that we deal with is geographical restrictions (i.e some of our restricted, sub-licensed datasets are available only to UK based researchers).
Interested in following the discussion.
Thanks,
Andrew
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From: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Valerie McCutcheon <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: 19 June 2019 07:17
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Licence classifications
Hello All,
I am just on my way to CASRAI UK meeting and was going to include licence terminology in my suggestions for something that CASRAI could help with so I will mention RDA and perhaps we can connect up.
I have been doing some work with the CREATe project in our law department and Jisc around dataset licencing and it became apparent that some of the terminology was open to interpretation.
Hope to speak soon and please do let us know if CASRAI might provide a useful forum to host a terminology or facilitate discussion.
Happy to catch a chat.
Valerie
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> On 18 Jun 2019, at 23:15, Graham Parton - UKRI STFC <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Hi Gail,
>
> Thanks for the email – this sounds very timely indeed.
>
> I was at the Open Repositories 2019 conference last week in Hamburg and presented there about two generic ‘close-use’ licences that we have come up with following the OGL and NCGL ones from the UK National Archives to help address a gap in the generic licensing landscape. I also touched briefly on two generic ‘restricted’ use licences that we have also come up with as a further extension of those closed ones. Whilst there I was chatting with Dom from JISC and he suggested that these licences would be of interest to this RDA group and urged me to join and attend the next session in Helsinki if I could. I’ve not yet been in the RDA circuit yet, but it’s something that I had earmarked as a possibility, so this might be a good place to start.
>
> It would be great to take this forward as a community if there really isn’t anything out there already.
>
> Your email does indicate one way to approach this and I do see the merits in it, especially as it is similar to the classification that you see for CC licences as to which licence permits what. However, the question that we’ve been posed with from both our users and internally when figuring out how to advertise our datasets to various stakeholders, is whether a given use-type is permitted under the licence, as opposed to then what the subsequent requirements are under the terms of the licence. E.g. a licence may permit use for teaching and research only (i.e. personal or commercial use is ruled out), but stipulate the requirement to cite the information source appropriately. Both angles are important I think.
>
> Cheers,
> graham
>
> From: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of "Clement, Gail P." <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Reply-To: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Date: Tuesday, 18 June 2019 at 21:03
> To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Subject: Re: Licence classifications
>
> Dear Graham and All,
>
> Thanks for this timely posting! As your message reflects, this is a topic of intense interest to the research data management community. To that end, the Research Data Alliance/CODATA Group on Legal Interoperability of Research Data is looking at a process of developing a taxonomy of standardized electronic rights statements and reuse restrictions in use with datasets or repositories. We believe this is a critical area to bolster FAIR data sharing by standardizing this terminology for both
> human and machine clarity.
>
> Some of the reuse restrictions we've identified in bespoke dataset licenses include:
>
> - author notification (of reuse)
> - author approval (of reuse)
> - author contribution (to new work, including opportunity to join as an author)
> - privacy and anonymity requirements
>
> Additionally, we believe a standard term is needed to indicate to humans and machines that:
>
> - no license is available
> - license granularity (one license is posted for entire data object, or individual licenses are associated with -the compendium's pieces and parts)
>
> If you would like to join the group and our discussions (both in person at RDA plenaries and by email and Internet conference during the year), you are most welcome to register (no charge): https://rd-alliance.org/groups/rdacodata-legal-interoperability-ig.html
>
> RDA/CODATA Legal Interoperability IG | RDA<https://rd-alliance.org/groups/rdacodata-legal-interoperability-ig.html>
> Status: Recognised & Endorsed This Interest Group will define legal interoperability of research data and articulate why it is important for data interoperability and reuse. The group will analyse four case studies and establish best practices through which legal interoperability if research data can be achieved and adopted by stakeholders.
> rd-alliance.org<http://rd-alliance.org>
>
>
> Also, we keep a Zotero public database of readings and resources at: https://www.zotero.org/groups/1757514/legalinteropdata
>
> And if we can share more ideas about standardized vocabulary around data licensing, please let us know!
>
>
> Zotero | Groups > LegalInteropData<https://www.zotero.org/groups/1757514/legalinteropdata>
> Zotero is a free, easy-to-use tool to help you collect, organize, cite, and share research.
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>
>
> All best,
> Gail
>
> Gail P. Clement
> Head of Research Services & Librarian for Geological and Planetary Sciences
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>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Research Data Management discussion list <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Graham Parton - UKRI STFC <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:23 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Licence classifications
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m in the process of reviewing all our different data licences that we make use of, including things like Creative Commons licences, UK Open gov licences, our own Close-Use and Restricted Use General licences*.
>
> One of the things I’d like to do is categorise these licences by what sort of use they permit so that we can clearly and succinctly relay that information to users of our archives.
>
> Are there any such licence classification schemes out there already that people know of that would provide such a selection of permitted use types? E.g. licence permits (within the other restrictions of the licence):
>
> * Personal use
> * Policy use
> * Commercial use
> * Research use
> * Teaching use
> * No clear use
>
> I’ve added this latter one in as when we’ve looked at our older ‘licences’ they really are quite shockingly bad and so I reckon there’s a use-case for a such a category.
>
> (note this is about the licence , not the access control(!)… that remains a separate matter)
>
> Thanks,
> Graham
>
>
>
> *available for anyone to use to make use of too and follow on from OGL and non-commerical OGL!
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