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Re: MDPI journals turning predatory?

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nina moeller <[log in to unmask]>

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nina moeller <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:25:17 +0100

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I co-published an article in Sustainability.

The whole commercial open access system is pretty predatory, whether 
"scientifically legit" or not.

My experience with Sustainability: our article was part of a special 
issue that was set up by 'real' people who sent out a call through their 
own networks. It went through the SI editor's as well as the journal's 
peer review. We received two proper, fully commented reviews from the 
journal, though both were pretty positive (whether legitimately so 
someone else would have to judge!) so it ended up being a quick turnover 
indeed.

Doesn't the whole lot of academic publishing use both predatory and 
ivory-tower-gate-keeping strategies to, at the end of the day, 
accumulate wealth/power/influence (your pick)?

The big question remains what sort of 'knowledge' this ultimately 
generates and legitimises...

I like Simon Batterbury's list/thoughts here: 
https://simonbatterbury.wordpress.com/2015/10/25/list-of-decent-open-access-journals/

cheers, nina

-- 
Dr. Nina Isabella Moeller
Marie Curie Research Fellow
School of Environment, Education and Development SEED
The University of Manchester
Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL, UK
https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/nina.moeller.html

Research Associate
Oxford Department of International Development ODID
University of Oxford
Mansfield Rd, Oxford OX1 3TB, UK

Honorary Research Fellow
Centre for Agroecology, Water and Resilience CAWR
Coventry University
Ryton Organic Gardens, Coventry CV8 3LG, UK

On 06/08/2019 09:26, Christopher Muellerleile wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> No comment on MDPI, but Kirsten Bell has a nice article on 'predatory' 
> publishers. She suggests that rather than think of them as predators, we 
> think of them as a parody of the entire business of journal publishing.
> https://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/870
> 
> Best wishes,
> Chris
> 
> Chris Muellerleile
> Lecturer of Urban and Economic Geography
> Department of Geography
> Swansea University
> Wallace Building, Room 225BB
> Swansea SA2 8PP
> United Kingdom
> Office phone: (44) 0 179 229 5481
> email: [log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 08:44:00 AM GMT+1, Son, Jung Won 
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Personally, I don’t recommend my students publish in Sustainability.
> 
> As for the other MDPI journals, I simply don’t know enough to comment.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jung Won
> 
> ==========================================
> 
> Jung Won Sonn
> 
> Lecturer, Bartlett School of Planning, University College London
> 
> *From:*A forum for critical and radical geographers 
> <[log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 06, 2019 4:31 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: MDPI journals turning predatory?
> 
> Simone, all,
> 
> MDPI is not a predatory publisher, but a legit albeit commercial open 
> access publisher. The are indeed very active. When unsure there are some 
> checks you can do:
> 
>   * Look at the editorial board:
>     https://www.mdpi.com/journal/sustainability/editors
>     <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2Fjournal%2Fsustainability%2Feditors&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb3f9894e24d4ae125e608d71a3ffebb%7C1faf88fea9984c5b93c9210a11d9a5c2%7C0%7C0%7C637006734470278642&sdata=RKjVoUXNteAfvAlWC0qq4cw0vbYLEYHhmhcC9AAQbPo%3D&reserved=0>.
>     Any people there you know, personally or as author? You can decide
>     to contact them and ask about the journal.
>   * Check the peer review. Predatory journals are characterized by a
>     lack of peer review. Fortunately many MDPI journal facilitate open
>     peer review reports. Though not everyone chooses that route, it does
>     offer the opportunity to check the existence and nature of the peer
>     review of a view recent papers, e.g. here:
>     https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/11/15/4233/review_report
>     <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2F2071-1050%2F11%2F15%2F4233%2Freview_report&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb3f9894e24d4ae125e608d71a3ffebb%7C1faf88fea9984c5b93c9210a11d9a5c2%7C0%7C0%7C637006734470288636&sdata=gtv%2FN70AwsOWdY9CLVDrzh1hIknOkVRRV0j5epz9Mjw%3D&reserved=0> or
>     here https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/11/15/4229/review_report
>     <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2F2071-1050%2F11%2F15%2F4229%2Freview_report&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb3f9894e24d4ae125e608d71a3ffebb%7C1faf88fea9984c5b93c9210a11d9a5c2%7C0%7C0%7C637006734470288636&sdata=w%2BvpIOyxO0xNP%2Blt%2FacNjLCIjr36Wr651Mpo1vaRhG4%3D&reserved=0> or
>     here https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/11/15/4132/review_report
>     <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2F2071-1050%2F11%2F15%2F4132%2Freview_report&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb3f9894e24d4ae125e608d71a3ffebb%7C1faf88fea9984c5b93c9210a11d9a5c2%7C0%7C0%7C637006734470298634&sdata=CJZhUcgql6NR5TpNrZ%2FxeLUdw%2Fnidet9xDqPu4zXrus%3D&reserved=0>.
> 
> This is what MDPI says about its peer review process: 
> https://www.mdpi.com/editorial_process 
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2Feditorial_process&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb3f9894e24d4ae125e608d71a3ffebb%7C1faf88fea9984c5b93c9210a11d9a5c2%7C0%7C0%7C637006734470298634&sdata=3MbVBTAFiE1%2BhP%2B7RYxMFWvN7Cy0YREeyS5ETzv2E%2F4%3D&reserved=0>. 
> My impression is that they are not very selective and mostly check for 
> methodological rigour and quality of reporting and not so much expected 
> impact or novelty. But to be honest that impression is based on limited 
> experience and I have never published with them.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Jeroen
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Jeroen Bosman, scholarly communication specialist and faculty liaison 
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> *From:*A forum for critical and radical geographers 
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> 
> on behalf of simone tulumello <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 9:00 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> *Subject:* MDPI journals turning predatory?
> 
> Hi critters,
> 
> I'm being bombed of request of articles for "special issues" on MDPI 
> journals (e.g. Sustainability) and even some request to edit a SI. Also, 
> I've heard of oretty "fast" peer-review processes...
> 
> Seems like a very typical predatory publisher, but then some legit 
> scholars have published and edited for them.
> 
> Anyone knows better?
> 
> Bests
> 
> S.
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