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Richard
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> On 3 Apr 2019, at 17:03, Martin Counihan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Again, thank you both for your responses. I wondered if it might come from Irish "partan", "crab", because of Hiberno-Norse settlement in the area: and I see that the local church is dedicated to St Bridget (usually a marker for Leinster Irish settlement). But on balance, I suppose the "bush" origin is the more likely, especially with an "e" as the vowel in those early attestations. I'm left wondering about the name of the village close by, "Lowca"!
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> Regards,
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> Martin
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>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 at 6:25 PM
>> From: "Martin Counihan" <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Subject: Re: Parton
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>> Linda,
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>> Thank you, I did not know about the Parton near Thursby. The Parton near Whitehaven is on the coast and there is said (Wikipedia!) to have been a Roman port there.
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>> Martin
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>>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 at 6:09 PM
>>> From: "Linda Corrigan" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Parton
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>>> I'm not at all sure about this. The editors of the place-names of Cumberland, decline to comment on the Parish of Parton, in Allerdale above Derwent, on the grounds that it was not recorded until 1796. Any allocation to early languages from a record so late would have to be suspect. For Parton in Thursby Parish, they give a first record of 'Pertane' in 1277, 'Pertan' in1279, and for Parton Hope Mire as 'marisco de Pertan in 1292. The suggestion there is that the word is 'perthen' a diminutive of Welsh 'perth' (bush). They also cite other uses of this term in place-names. I have not read the article about crabs which you mention, but as Thursby is well inland, the idea of a boggy place with small bushes seems to me much more likely than any connection with crabs. The other Parton in Allerdale Above Derwent is on the coast, close to Whitehaven, but a quick trawl of the internet suggests that it was really the harbour for Low Moresby until the 17/18th Century and may not have been given its name until around then.
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>>> Hope this helps. I'm happy to be proved wrong but this may be a 'wild crab' chase.
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>>> Linda
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: The English Place-Name List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Martin Counihan
>>> Sent: 01 April 2019 17:41
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>>> Subject: Parton
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>>> Are list-members happy with the idea that Parton in Cumbria takes its name from the Irish word (Partán) for a crab?
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>>> (This question arose in connection with a short paper, "Partraige and Partán", which I have just uploaded to academia.edu and researchgate.net).
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Martin
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