Hi all,
I agree with Rebecca´s expressed doubts.
Sharing the letter to Dalhousie is a reasonable option, I think.
Worrying about a discussion with Singer, not giving him the possibility
of victimizing himself is important, as well.
Best
Marianne
Am 07.02.2019 um 12:08 schrieb Rebecca Maskos:
> Hi!
>
> I totally agree that the newer generation of antispeciesists is
> different from Singer and his followers, and most of them have embraced
> some criticism of Singer's ideas (even though I'm not sure if all of
> them know about the disability studies' and/or disability rights
> movement's position). They definetely should sort this out amongst their
> community as well.
>
> Still I'm unsure whether this is really possible when their theoretical
> basis doesn’t draw a line between species or, to put it differently, if
> they apply the rubric of discrimination to ALL species. I think that by
> putting animals and humans into one category, you will always end up
> qualifying and in essence discriminate - as to when it is legitimate to
> treat life in different ways. This question will inevitably come up,
> when you move away from thinking about animals such as apes to, for
> instance, insects or reptiles, and categorizing them e.g. as dangerous.
>
> I fear that blurring the line between animals and humans will opening
> the „Pandora’s box“ of qualifying human life as well - and then we might
> end up having a similar theoretical and ethical mess as Singer and his
> followers present to us.
>
> My conclusion is (apart from that I’m still struggling with those
> questions myself and I’m very happy about arguments that prove me wrong)
> that probably there is still a lot of theoretical work to be done before
> we can wholeheartedly agree to the concept of antispeciesism from a
> disability studies perspective.
>
> I don’t mean to create a theoretical debate on this list about that here
> and now, I would only like to raise doubts, if antispeciecism is so
> unproblematic in and of itself from a disability position.
>
> Apart from that I think it would be great to have a letter to Dalhousie
> signed by as many DS scholars and activists as possible and yes, I too
> think that one should be careful about Singer's strategy to victimize
> himself. Whether or not it is therefore best to keep the letter
> unpublished I’m still undecided.
>
> Best
> Rebecca
>
>
>
>
> Am 07.02.19 um 11:10 schrieb Liz Ellis:
>> Hi all I’ve been following this with some degree of frustration as my
>> email server kind of died and wouldn’t send my response. I’ve
>> therefore pasted it below.
>>
>> To add, whilst I think a letter might be useful and would willingly
>> add my name (such as it is) to it, I do not think it ought to be a
>> public one because this would basically drive more publicity his way
>> and increase his potential for becoming a martyr figure for the
>> so-called intellectual dark web, a role that he and others like
>> Minerva and McMahan are already propagating with their projected
>> journal aimed at giving so-called rebels an anonymous platform where
>> they can be free from attacks by snowflakes and SJWs such as myself.
>> Far better, I think to reach out to the new generation of
>> anti-speciesists and get them to do the heavy lifting. I’m happy to
>> contact Simon Springer to this end.
>>
>> Original email:
>>
>> As a side perspective, I’ve had a few ‘robust’ discussions with people
>> (like Simon Springer) who are strongly anti-species-ist about Singer,
>> McMahan etc and I think that they are increasingly becoming
>> marginalised by this new generation of anti-speciesists. Springer
>> for example argues that in perpetuating violence to animals, it
>> condones violence to disabled people, women and people of colour and
>> that violence towards marginalised groups is perpetuated by violence
>> towards animals. I think Kay Inckle posted something about this recently?
>>
>> I’m not 100% convinced by this argument, but I think it shows you
>> can't lump all anti-speciesists together. I’d be happier if the
>> challenges to Singer et al, came from within the anti-speciesist
>> movement itself, because, as Carlson and Kittay have shown, Singer,
>> especially, won’t listen to disability perspectives.
>>
>> I also worry that Singer will turn into the next Petersen. There have
>> already been signs this is happening and anything to deny him the
>> oxygen of publicity is a good thing imo.
>>
>>
>> In solidarity,
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 7 Feb 2019, at 09:30, Angelo D. Marra <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Theresia,
>>>
>>> Reading your email, i was thinking exactly the same things on the
>>> issue of popularity gained "with the victimization process"
>>>
>>> thanks for your words
>>>
>>> Angelo
>>>
>>> Il 07/02/2019 09:28, Prof. Dr. Theresia Degener ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> we had a big protest against P Singer in Germany in the early 90s
>>>> and later some smaller. He was invited by the German Lebenshilfe
>>>> (today German secton of Inclusion International) to discuss his book
>>>> "Should the Baby Live?" and similar publications in which he argues
>>>> that according to his version of utilitarism it is okay to kill a
>>>> severely disabled infant before it is 1 years old because it would
>>>> lead to more happiness. In his elaborations on "personhood" he
>>>> compares disabled human beings with animals and concludes that some
>>>> disabled human beings have less personhood than e.g. a pig .
>>>>
>>>> Because of our protest he was disinvited by Lebenshilfe but he
>>>> talked at several German universities and these talks were
>>>> accompanied by loud protests of the disability rights movement and
>>>> allies (women's movement, anti-fachist movement, churches). It was a
>>>> big scandal and he wrote a widely circulated article "On being
>>>> silenced in Germany" (or similar title) His background as a Jew who
>>>> had lost family members in the Holocaust gave the debate an
>>>> additional aspect which needed to be adressed with ethical
>>>> responsibility.
>>>>
>>>> While I joined the radical protest against him and still think we
>>>> were right because at that time it was the only way how we could
>>>> make our voices being heard, I regret the publicity he gained with
>>>> it. I think this process of victimization of P Singer is one of the
>>>> reasons he received so many awards after that. Today I would simply
>>>> ignore him but fight any statement by an organization or conference
>>>> which is based on his thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Theresia Degener
>>>>
>>>> Professor of Law and Disability Studies
>>>> Director of Bochum Center for Disability Studies (BODYS)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Protestant University of Applied Studies
>>>> Immanuel-Kant-Strasse 18 - 20
>>>> 44803 Bochum
>>>> Germany
>>>> tel: + 49 (0)234 - 36901 172
>>>> fax: + 49 (0)234 - 36901 110
>>>> cell: +49 (0) 1522 5988673
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original-Nachricht -----
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Von: Mathieu Simard ([log in to unmask] <mailto:>)
>>>> Datum: 06.02.2019 22:16
>>>> An: [log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>> Betreff: Re: Peter Singer keynote at Dalhousie Law Conference
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I myself didn't know of the "works" of Peter Singer. To be honest, I
>>>> am surprised that somebody (especially in the academic world) could
>>>> advocate for such terrible things. I would suggest pointing the
>>>> conference organizers to specific elements of this individual that
>>>> are offensive (hyperlinks, etc) to allow them to make a more
>>>> facts-based decision. This, especially in consideration of legal
>>>> limits on hate speech in place in Canada.
>>>>
>>>> Acknowledging that there is a significant disability hub at Halifax,
>>>> including Shawna O'Hearn from Dalhousie itself and activist Steven
>>>> Estey from the Canadian Council of Persons with Disabilities, would
>>>> it be appropriate for me to share your email with these two
>>>> individuals and let them decide afterwards if / how they want to
>>>> interact with both this group and the conference itself as deemed
>>>> appropriate by them?
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know your thoughts. I could then share the email as
>>>> requested.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mathieu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mathieu Simard
>>>>
>>>> Coordinator
>>>> Global Health and Rehabilitation Initiative
>>>> McGill University
>>>>
>>>> PhD student
>>>> Rehabilitation Sciences
>>>> McGill University
>>>>
>>>> Deputy vice-president, Rehabilitation International (RI) North America
>>>> Vice-Chair, RI International Commission on Technology and Accessibility
>>>> Chair and founding Member, RI Task Force on Disability, Armed
>>>> Conflict, and Natural Disasters
>>>>
>>>> Phone: (418)376-8453
>>>> Skype: mathieu.simard_pro
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Roman, Leslie <[log in to unmask]
>>>>> <mailto:>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Please include Prof. Leslie G. Roman, PI for Wingspan Disability
>>>>> Arts, Culture and Public Pedagogy.
>>>>> Leslie
>>>>> *From:*The Disability-Research Discussion List
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:>]*On Behalf
>>>>> Of*Tanya Titchkosky
>>>>> *Sent:*Wednesday, February 6, 2019 12:23 PM
>>>>> *To:*[log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>>> *Subject:*Re: Peter Singer keynote at Dalhousie Law Conference
>>>>> *If you wish to contact the organizers to share your concerns, you
>>>>> can reach them at **// <mailto:>[log in to unmask]
>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>/** . *
>>>>> *Here is a DRAFT --anyone want to edit or send together - let me
>>>>> know [log in to unmask] <mailto:>*
>>>>> **
>>>>> *Dear Organizers and Dalhousie University Community Members,*
>>>>> **
>>>>> *We represent an international group of concerned disability
>>>>> studies scholars, artists, and activist some of whom are committed
>>>>> to animal rights. We noticed that your Animal Law Conference is
>>>>> hosting Peter Singer on October 2019 at Dalhousie University, Nova
>>>>> Scotia, Canada. We write to express our shock and disappointment. *
>>>>> **
>>>>> *Human/animals relations represent an important social justice
>>>>> issue but it is unjustifiable to pursue your interests by employing
>>>>> and featuring a person who has publicly argued for the death of
>>>>> children with disabilities and has argued for the general
>>>>> worthlessness of disabled people, and more than once. You are
>>>>> choosing a ridiculous, not to mention offensive, way to garner
>>>>> respect for your interests. We cannot fathom why your animal law
>>>>> conference would publicly and willingly promote the degradation of
>>>>> disability life.*
>>>>> **
>>>>> *Please justify your decision to promote liberation by making
>>>>> enemies with us. Does every movement need a cut off point and now
>>>>> your group has decided that instead of animals it will be disabled
>>>>> people? We do not think you should ignore the deep implications of
>>>>> your promotion of this particular keynote speaker. *
>>>>> **
>>>>> *Signatures*
>>>>> Prof. Tanya Titchkosky, Social Justice Education, OISE of the
>>>>> University of Toronto
>>>>> Others_____________
>>>>> *From:*The Disability-Research Discussion List
>>>>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:>>*On Behalf Of*Inckle, Kay
>>>>> *Sent:*February-06-19 7:09 AM
>>>>> *To:*[log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>>> *Subject:*Re: Peter Singer keynote at Dalhousie Law Conference
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be a good plan to draft a (very short) letter to
>>>>> the organisers. Personally, I don't think taking up the option of a
>>>>> panel at an event like that is a good plan as it merely endorses
>>>>> the position that his ideas merit discussion. I don't think any
>>>>> other minoritised group would be asked to put a counter argument to
>>>>> the suggestion that killing babies from that group is a positive act!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kay
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Kay Inckle
>>>>> Lecturer in Sociology
>>>>> Department of Sociology, Social Policy & Criminology
>>>>> 1.23 Eleanor Rathbone Building, Bedford Street South, Liverpool L69 7ZA
>>>>> +44 (0)151 794 3021
>>>>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>>> *Office Hours *
>>>>> Sem 1: Tuesdays 11:00-12:00; 15:00-16:00
>>>>> Sem 2: Mondays 14:00-16:00
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *From:*The Disability-Research Discussion List
>>>>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:>> on behalf of Devva
>>>>> Kasnitz <[log in to unmask] <mailto:>>
>>>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:55:32 PM
>>>>> *To:*[log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>>> *Subject:*Re: Peter Singer keynote at Dalhousie Law Conference
>>>>> Tanya,
>>>>> How do we let them know? If those of you with the background could
>>>>> draft a letter and we all sign......
>>>>> Devva
>>>>> *Devva Kasnitz, PhD*
>>>>> Spring 2018 -- Kate Welling Distinguished Scholar in Disability
>>>>> Studies, Miami University, Oxford, OH
>>>>> Adj Professor, City University of New York-School of Professional
>>>>> Studies-Disability Studies
>>>>> Executive Director, Society for Disability Studies, PO BOX 5570,
>>>>> Eureka CA 95502
>>>>> *From:*The Disability-Research Discussion List
>>>>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:>>*On Behalf Of*Tanya
>>>>> Titchkosky
>>>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, February 5, 2019 6:16 AM
>>>>> *To:*[log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [DISABILITY-RESEARCH] Peter Singer keynote at
>>>>> Dalhousie Law Conference
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I have attempted to write about some of the deadly implications of
>>>>> Singer's perspective on disability. If the link does not provide
>>>>> access, I can send it to you. I think we should also let DAL law
>>>>> school know that we do not agree with their key note choice -
>>>>> really ridiculous!
>>>>> Tanya
>>>>> Social Justice Education, OISE of the University of Toronto
>>>>> **
>>>>> *The Ends of the Body as Pedagogic*
>>>>> *Possibility*
>>>>> Tanya Titchkosky
>>>>> Published online: 22 Jun 2012.
>>>>> DOI:10.1080/10714413.2012.686851
>>>>> *To link to this
>>>>> article:*http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/10714413.2012.686851
>>>>> Journal:
>>>>> *Review of Education, Pedagogy, and*
>>>>> *Cultural Studies*
>>>>> *From:*The Disability-Research Discussion List
>>>>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:>>*On Behalf Of*Kate Kaul
>>>>> *Sent:*February-05-19 8:34 AM
>>>>> *To:*[log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>>> *Subject:*Re: Peter Singer keynote at Dalhousie Law Conference
>>>>> Lilith, thanks for sending.
>>>>> I agree that dialogue is necessary. In that spirit, would anyone
>>>>> like to propose a panel with me? I think it would be useful to set
>>>>> out the shape of the resistance to Singer's arguments on disability
>>>>> and value (McBryde Johnson, for example) and the important
>>>>> contemporary work that engages our relationships with non-human
>>>>> animals from a politicized disability perspective. I would like to
>>>>> see that perspective represented at the conference, and in the
>>>>> proposed journal issue.
>>>>> Nova Scotia is wonderful in the summer but I'm not sure about early
>>>>> October - I guess there would be no need to worry about jellyfish!
>>>>> Kate
>>>>> *From:*The Disability-Research Discussion List
>>>>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:>>*On Behalf Of*LILITH
>>>>> Finkler
>>>>> *Sent:*February 5, 2019 12:36 AM
>>>>> *To:*[log in to unmask] <mailto:>
>>>>> *Subject:*Peter Singer keynote at Dalhousie Law Conference
>>>>> D*ear Colleagues. I am forwarding you the announcement about the
>>>>> Animal Law Conference because the keynote speaker is none other
>>>>> than Peter Singer! If you wish to contact the organizers to share
>>>>> your concerns, you can reach them at **[log in to unmask]
>>>>> <mailto:>** . *
>>>>> *Increasingly, links are being made between the disability rights
>>>>> movement and the animal liberation movement. These are two strong
>>>>> social justice movements. I do not believe we should ignore
>>>>> speciesism -at the same time, the animal rights movement must not
>>>>> ignore ableism. Dialogue is certainly necessary! Lilith*
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> Now accepting proposals for presentations!
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Animal Justice is thrilled to announce the inaugural Canadian
>>>>> Animal Law Conference! Co-hosted with the Schulich School of Law at
>>>>> Dalhousie University, the conference will take place from October 4
>>>>> - 6, 2019, in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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