Hi Nick,
There will be some places we can recognise exclusively as Ship Breakers Yards, whereas ship breaking might just be an a time limited activity within other docks or dockyards. At Chatham dockyard they dismantled ships and there is a rare example of building largely constructed from recovered timbers. Do ship breakers yards have a distinct archaeological signature? Or without other sources would we just recognise them as docks? Although, often vessels might just be dragged on to a shore or bank for breaking.
Having said all that I think it's important that we record all forms of historic scrapyards, dumps, breakers yards,etc, as they are all potential sources of artefacts, with in some instances a heritage crime angle.
Regards,
Wayne
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Nick Boldrini [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 07 January 2019 17:09
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Subject: Re: Plane Scrapping post WWII
Hi Wayne and others
Regarding terminology – I’ll let DSU unravel that, but what your suggesting would work. But then that perhaps raise the question is a separate term for Ship Breakers Yard necessary (extending the logic??).
Based on what has been said, and a scan of 1940’s Aps (showing no planes everywhere) I think the site I am dealing with is most likely to be the end of the line processing after the carcasses had been sold onto a civilian scrap dealer.
Which in some ways is disappointing, but also helps narrow the scope for trying to find out more info about the site
Thanks for the thoughts
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Cocroft, Wayne
Sent: 07 January 2019 16:52
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Subject: Re: Plane Scrapping post WWII
Hi Nick,
Do we need a specific term for aircraft scrapyards?
The scrapping/cannibalisation of aircraft was a standard function within Maintenance Units, which might involve removing serviceable items before the carcass was sold by auction to a scrap dealer. Just as some railway works, such as Swindon were involved in the scrapping of engines and rolling stock.
Would the term ‘scrapyard’ suffice with a narrow term indicating vehicle, aircraft, or railway, and as people mention yards would often just deal in general scrap. I think scrapyard would also covers dumps of wartime wrecks, for example those from the Battle of Britain.
Current practice is for MoD aircraft to be auctioned off, while parts may be removed on the home station before the remainder is sold into the general scrap market. There are also a handful of specialist civil aircraft breakers.
A few years ago ‘enthusiasts’ were targeting burial pits around airfields and some at least we returning up substantial numbers of aircraft parts.
As Roger notes the immediate post-war aps might be helpful in narrowing down locations and aircraft types.
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Wayne
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Subject: Re: Plane Scrapping post WWII
Hi Nick,
Happy New Year! Yes we do indeed seem to have a gap in our terminology for aircraft wrecking yards/sites; I think this merits further investigation.
All the best
Paul
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Subject: Plane Scrapping post WWII
Hi HEROes
Happy New Year to you all.
Just before Christmas I received some additional information about a site in Durham which was supposedly used to scrap planes post World War II. I had a vague record of it on the HER before (based on emails from a Countryside Ranger) but the site appears to have grown 9ie bits have been found in a different area), so I am interested in trying to find out more about this.
Anyone ever heard of anything like this, or know of any references I could chase up?
So far I am
1) talking to the local person to pick their brains (local legend has it as a Spitfire wrecking site, with parts being sold for salvage, and metal melted down, again, presumably, for salvage)
2) talking to a friendly crash site investigator I have corresponded with before (as I have been handed some bits, so wanted to try and work out if they are from a plane, and if possible which one – which is probably a very long shot)
3) have thought of, but not tried, checking out the County Record Office, National archives etc to see if there is any information about it (I assume there should have been some sort of contract at least) – but wont be able to check these out unless I have a bit more to go on and a volunteer willing to look into it (and have one in mind)
So anything other those avenues appreciated.
And in case youre interested, I have logged it as a “Ship Breakers Yard”, as theres no term for Plane Wrecking yard (HE DSU – I’m looking at you…)
thanks
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