Just a reminder that the Women Writers Project, now at Northeastern
under the direction of Julia Flanders, is able to do custom textbooks
of early women writers, and very inexpensively. I have copied her in
case anyone is interested in pursuing something like this model for
the male poets.

Susanne

On 4/6/18, Tom Bishop <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The OSEO is an excellent resource, but it was beyond our library to afford.
> We made earnest representations, but they simply sent us the cost and asked
> us what journals we would recommend unsubscribing to in our field in order
> to take up OSEO instead! We live in the wonderful world of constrained
> resources.
>
> Tom
>
>
> Tom Bishop
> Professor of English
> University of Auckland.
>
>
> From: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of andrew zurcher <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Saturday, 7 April 2018 at 11:18 AM
> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Books out of print
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> Just a quick note to remind you all of the existence of Oxford Scholarly
> Editions Online (OSEO) -- OUP's project to re-key its entire back catalogue
> of annotated scholarly editions. OUP charges for this resource, but many
> institutional libraries can afford it, and the huge range of English poetry,
> prose, and drama to which it provides access includes some pretty impressive
> editorial and glossatorial work. Not only OUP editions feature here, nor
> only English literature; many other presses have contributed important
> editions, and the corpus also includes a substantial chunk of OUP's
> important Latin and Greek editions, too. It's also worth saying, I think
> (because I'm in sales mode), that the OSEO texts are richly linked to the
> Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and the OED -- handy for students.
>
> www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com<http://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com>
>
> See the full list of editions (including 25 new editions last month), here:
>
> http://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com/page/18/title-lists
>
>
> andrew
> wearing my OSEO hat
>
>
> On 06/04/2018 22:33, William Oram wrote:
> It occurs to me that, as David implies, nobody's ideal anthology is going to
> be anyone else's.  But that doesn't mean that a group of us might not work
> together to create--for instance--an online sixteenth-century poetry
> anthology out of which instructors could pick their own preferred readings.
> What Luminarium, Renascence editions, etc. offer is invaluable, but the
> glossing is often limited or nonexistent (thus Luminarium's Bowge of Court
> is glossed, but its Philip Sparrow excerpts are not).  And undergraduates
> especially need the kind of help that, for instance, the Norton Anthologies
> provide.  If there were online texts available for our courses, we would
> still not have dealt with with the problem of undergraduates turning away
> from anything they haven't heard of, but if one had a course one might put
> together one's own anthology.  It might interrupt the cycle Cathy Butler
> writes of at one point. The larger problem of enrollments is one I'm not
> sure how to tackle.  Bill
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Tom Bishop
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> Perhaps this very list (or someone on it) could organise to recommend,
> assemble and host a “virtual anthology” to which students worldwide in our
> classes could be directed as a single focussed resource. Luminarium etc
> serve something of this function, of course, but they also more voluminous
> than our needs. It might not even be such a big job if the poets themselves
> were “adopted” by a plurality of scholars. It would certainly save the
> labour of each in compiling “course readers” piecemeal.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> From: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on
> behalf of John Staines
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Reply-To: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Date: Saturday, 7 April 2018 at 2:27 AM
> To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
> Subject: Re: FW: Books out of print
>
> Hannibal-- For the piece I wrote for MLQ (which was a special edition on
> "Milton and the Politics of Periodization"), I skimmed through the MLA Job
> Lists since their origins in mimeographed, typewritten leaflets, and the
> pattern is clear: in the past 20 years, the Renaissance/Early Modern jobs
> increasingly conflate the period with Shakespeare and drama, which the
> collapse of the field in the past decade has hardened into the basic
> structure of the Early Modern. Even the increasingly rare Renaissance poetry
> ads will ask for 15 other requirements, including "An ability to teach
> Shakespeare and drama." There use to be ads that mentioned Spenser by name
> (and that was in the 60s, where the postings were closer in length and style
> to newspaper classified ads), but Milton is (I think) the only other named
> writer in recent years, even as the ads have grown to hundreds of words in
> length.  My conclusion is that advisors would be derelict in their duties
> not to push students to have a Shakespeare chapter in their dissertations,
> no matter how intellectually unjustified that would be. That's not writing
> for the fashions of the times, which is most often terrible advice, but
> writing for a job market reality that is unlikely to change any time soon.
> Obviously that limits the kinds of dissertations students can write, and
> leads to a cycle that further marginalizes all other perspectives into
> oblivion.
>
> John D. Staines
> Associate Professor
> Major Coordinator and Advisor
> Department of English
> John Jay College of Criminal Justice
> The City University of New York
> 524 West 59th Street, Room
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> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on
> behalf of Hannibal Hamlin
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:03 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: FW: Books out of print
> Thanks for forwarding this, John, and thanks to all for interesting replies.
> Peter's point is no surprise, since we all know about supply and demand, but
> it aligns with my point about the trend in our profession toward Shakespeare
> and drama. Or is this just my perception? We had a job available this year
> at Ohio State, so I was able to survey what was probably most of the
> Renaissance people on the market, and most -- no surprise -- were in drama.
> Of course, the job ad stressed Shakespeare too, since that is THE bread and
> butter course for early modernists. The obligatory Shakespeare chapter is
> not a myth (or a joke). So I suppose if we are not teaching Vaughan or
> Traherne, they go out of print. (I noticed the same thing some years ago
> with pastoral, which used to have a number of excellent anthologies in
> print, now none.) It would be interesting, too, to know if the Penguin
> classics, and other such editions, depend entirely on the academic market,
> or whether there were sales to that rare beast, the general educated
> reader.
>
> Hannibal
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 9:49 AM, John Staines
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> Peter Herman asked me to forward this contribution. --jds
>
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Herman [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 9:47 AM
> To: John Staines
> Subject: Fwd: Books out of print
> Hi John,
>
> My email address changed, and so I'm temporarily unable to post to
> Sidney-Spenser list. I've sent a note begging to be reinstated, but in the
> interim, could I ask you to post the response below?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> pch
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Peter Herman <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Books out of print
> To: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> At SDSU, we are also encouraged to find the cheapest possible product, and
> our "bookstore" (really more of a totchke store) also offers textbook
> "rentals" and the like. At the end of every exam, you will also find
> students lining up to return or sell their books. I swear I've seen the same
> copy of a few books I've ordered show up in class after class.
>
>  But publishers are responding to changes in the market: Thomas Browne went
> out of print not because of a plot against him, but because nobody ordered
> the book. The result is a circle of death: because nobody orders these books
> (or few people) do, the books go out of print, so nobody reads these
> authors, so there's no demand. And if one tries to buck the trend and offer
> a volume of a worthy author without a modern edition, it molders in a
> warehouse. Broadview took a chance on a student edition of Thomas Deloney's
> Jack of Newbury, a terrific read with all sorts of fun politics--imagine a
> cloth worker, even a wealthy one, telling Henry VIII "you come to me, I
> don't come to you"--and it sold all of 150 copies. I doubt Broadview will be
> taking a similar chance in the future.
>
> pch
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:30 AM, John Staines
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> I didn't realize Penguin was pulling back on its list--I suppose someone
> could write a history of literary criticism and university curricula from
> what those publishers put in and out of print over time. And any such study
> would note the continued proliferation of Shakespeare editions, in every
> size and shape imaginable. (I touch on this in an article on Milton and
> Shakespeare in last fall's MLQ.) Oxford Authors does have a new edition of
> Browne just out in paperback, which fits the return of Browne in criticism.
> Norton continues to keep Mario Di Cesare's 40-year old Herbert and the 17th
> C. Religious Poets in print, but someone on this list should convince them
> to create a new volume. Otherwise, crafting a syllabi becomes a maze of
> PDFs--with the added wrinkle that we here in NY are under pressure from the
> governor to have our classes labeled "Zero Textbook Cost," which shows up as
> a searchable label for courses when students are selecting classes for the
> semester and as a denotation next to the course on their transcripts. I
> cannot fathom the reasoning behind the transcript note, but probably it's
> there so Cuomo can point it out when he speechifies about all he is doing to
> bring down the cost of college. We in the humanities are angry that a course
> with $50 in paperbacks is being lumped in with science and social science
> courses with $500 textbooks. I'm sure other states are putting on similar
> pressures.
>
> John D. Staines
> Associate Professor
> Major Coordinator and Advisor
> Department of English
> John Jay College of Criminal Justice
> The City University of New York
> 524 West 59th Street, Room
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=524+West+59th+Street,+Room++7&entry=gmail&source=g>
> 7<https://maps.google.com/?q=524+West+59th+Street,+Room%0D%0A+7&entry=gmail&source=g>.63.06
> New York, NY 10019
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> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on
> behalf of Hannibal Hamlin
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> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 8:13 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Books out of print
> In teaching a course on literature and religion in the seventeenth century,
> I've been struck by how many major authors are no longer in print, mainly, I
> think, because of the disappearance of good Penguin editions. Thomas Browne
> is gone, as are Henry Vaughan and Thomas Traherne. And there are no viable
> alternatives. Has anyone else noticed this, and are there other authors who
> have dropped out of circulation?
>
> I guess I have a couple of ideas about this development. The first is that
> the interest in poetry in general has waned over the last several decades,
> perhaps due in part to the focus of much popular theory on the novel. (I
> note with surprise how little the critical bibliography on
> seventeenth-century poets, except Milton, has developed since the 80s.) The
> other thought is that the dwindling job market has resulted in an unhealthy
> focus on Shakespeare and drama, since as the Humanities sink below the
> waves, Shakespeare is the last Renaissance writer to go under.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Hannibal
>
>
>
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