Right. FP7 and Horizon 2020 are European funding schemes. They want a
guarantee that people funded under this scheme have/will be published by
the entities that they fund for the APC-alternative scheme.
On 20/10/17 17:06, Eileen Joy wrote:
> Thanks everyone for all of this useful feedback. Punctum is, in fact,
> currently experimenting with various models for economic sustainability
> for non-fees-based monograph publishing, and that does require building
> some technical infrastructure that costs money, so this call is
> appealing to us, while at the same time, the instruction for proposals
> are somewhat confusing. Punctum cannot, for example, say much about
> FP7/H2020 publications, because we don't even know what those are. What
> we can say is "X" number of OA books have been and will be published in
> x, y, z, etc. years (past and future). In any case, I will also write
> OpenAIRE directly with more specific queries!
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 4:24 AM, Sebastian Nordhoff
> <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> fyi
> https://twitter.com/OpenAIRE_eu/status/921324628731138048
> <https://twitter.com/OpenAIRE_eu/status/921324628731138048>
> "Hi @twig2noise - tweaked the text a little so that monograph publishers
> will not be excluded"
> Best
> Sebastian
>
>
> On 10/20/2017 12:11 PM, Martin Eve wrote:
> > Just to say this is also in line with my view.
> >
> > In the last round of this call, they proposed funding for APC-free
> > models to improve their technical infrastructure. This implied that
> > APC-free models had inferior infrastructure and provided a restricted
> > use of funds while funding APCs at the maximum level. It also
> completely
> > neglected the fact that it's not technology that costs - it's
> labour +
> > people!
> >
> > This call does a similar thing, although it is broader. It
> basically says:
> >
> > APC-free models can apply for funding. This funding, though, is
> not to
> > be used to run your organisation ("not an APC substitute"). It is
> to get
> > yourself on a sustainable track.
> >
> > This is, in my view, again a total misjudgement and treats these
> models
> > as second-class.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > On 20/10/17 11:03, Ulrich Herb wrote:
> >> I totally agree with Sebastian. The call is sewn with a hot needle -
> >> as the Germans say. They have found money somewhere and now they
> want
> >> to spend it on something new - which I am very much in favour of
> >> because in this case it means non-APC-based. However, it might
> be very
> >> difficult to construct something suitable in a hurry. Nevertheless,
> >> perhaps in this round people are currently working on projects that
> >> fit the geometry of the call.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ulrich
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Am 20. Okt 2017 um 11:54 schrieb Sebastian Nordhoff
> >> [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>:
> >>
> >> On 10/20/2017 11:03 AM, Martin Eve wrote:
> >>> I can't see anything that would exclude you here... The
> challenge is
> >>> that "all eligible initiatives will have to prove that a number of
> >>> FP7/H2020 publications will be published by it"...
> >>>
> >>> How does one prove that a number of publications _will be_
> published in
> >>> the future? I assume that they want a track record of FP7/Horizon
> >>> pubs...
> >>
> >> and it looks very much that it is still centered on
> journals/articles.
> >> In the beginning, they stress that they include books, but later
> on, in
> >> the criteria for evaluation, it is all about articles.
> >>
> >> I must say I do not fully understand this call. You get a maximum of
> >> 50k, which you have to spend in the first half of 2018, it must
> be some
> >> kind of innovative model, and it must include output from existing
> >> FP7/H2020 projects. I cannot make those elements fit. Setting up
> a new
> >> revenue model will take longer than 6 months, and you cannot
> draft it in
> >> 4 weeks.
> >>
> >> It seems to me that OpenAire found some funds they have to spend
> before
> >> June, and they decided to spend it in this fashion.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>> On 19/10/17 17:19, Eileen Joy wrote:
> >>>> Question:
> >>>>
> >>>> can non-European publishers apply (or, in punctum's case: a
> publisher
> >>>> with editorial offices in California and the Netherlands)?
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this applicable to book publishers, as well as journals
> publishers?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, Eileen
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Ulrich Herb
> >>>> <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear list,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> fyi....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.openaire.eu/second-call-for-proposals-for-alternative-funding-mechanism-for-non-author-fee-based-open-access-publishing
> <https://www.openaire.eu/second-call-for-proposals-for-alternative-funding-mechanism-for-non-author-fee-based-open-access-publishing>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> <https://www.openaire.eu/second-call-for-proposals-for-alternative-funding-mechanism-for-non-author-fee-based-open-access-publishing
> <https://www.openaire.eu/second-call-for-proposals-for-alternative-funding-mechanism-for-non-author-fee-based-open-access-publishing>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ulrich Herb
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dr. Ulrich Herb
> >>>> Saarlaendische Universitaets- und Landesbibliothek
> >>>> Referent für elektronisches Publizieren und Open Access,
> >>>> Drittmittel-Projekte
> >>>>
> http://www.sulb.uni-saarland.de/de/service/publikationsangebote/
> <http://www.sulb.uni-saarland.de/de/service/publikationsangebote/>
> >>>>
> <http://www.sulb.uni-saarland.de/de/service/publikationsangebote/
> <http://www.sulb.uni-saarland.de/de/service/publikationsangebote/>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Eileen A. Joy
> >>>> http://babelworkinggroup.academia.edu/EileenJoy
> <http://babelworkinggroup.academia.edu/EileenJoy>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lead Ingenitor, The BABEL Working Group
> >>>> http://www.babelworkinggroup.org
> <http://www.babelworkinggroup.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> Founding Director, punctum books: spontaneous acts of scholarly
> >>>> combustion
> >>>> http://punctumbooks.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Founding Editor, /postmedieval: a journal of medieval cultural
> studies/
> >>>> http://www.palgrave-journals.com/pmed/index.html
> <http://www.palgrave-journals.com/pmed/index.html>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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