Hi Alok,
Thank you for your message to Don.
<snip> '... we have indeed highlighted the importance of having “recent forms” of design to be present'<end>
I can see there is always a tension about which of the newer disciplines of design to include. It’s the same for any over-arching field.
However, I more was wondering about the decision-making process by which it was decided to leave out the larger and older more established disciplines of design viz, the engineering design fields? Also the well-established older (and quite large) fields of design such as education program design or social program design?
Is there a description of the process by which design fields were included or excluded by the conference?
Regards,
Terry
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Subject: Re: The 6 disciplines of Design are coming together in October in Montreal!
Hello,
Thanks Don for noting the confusion and Philippe for sharing some historical/organisational insights ref. Montreal’s organisations.
Design is in itself a complex word, i.e. in terms of perception of what it covers, in different languages/contexts.
I assume we are also witnessing a paradoxical tension between communication of an event, content and conversations ref. design.
World Design Summit has several components:
- the Congress - Oct. 16-20 (where the so-called six disciplines are highlighted).
- the Expo
- the Summit (of International Organizations) - Oct. 23-25
I have been present in two preliminary meetings of the "Summit of Int’l Org" component, as VP of IxDA (Interaction Design Association) and we have indeed highlighted the importance of having “recent forms” of design to be present. We are several organisations taking part there , i.e IxDA for interaction design, UX, systems design; SDN for service design; Cumulus Association for design education, …
The Congress part is curated by the WDS and the lack of presence of many types of our practices, i.e. connected to the digital scapes, has been pointed in the Summit prep. meetings.
By communication of design stuff, let’s note that the “world of design” is may be creating its own confusion (vis-à-vis non-designers, policy makers, …).
We see so many places willing to be “the” center of “the" "design world”, such as:
https://worlddesignsummit.com <https://worlddesignsummit.com/> - in 16-25 Oct. 2017, Montreal https://www.worlddesignevent.org <https://www.worlddesignevent.org/> - also in 20-29 Oct. 2017, Eindhoven http://wdo.org <http://wdo.org/> - world design organisation ex-ICSID, having its GA in Oct. 2017, Torino
Here comes the time for having a “world design agenda”.
We indeed live in a complex world, where design (word and world) is getting more and more ambiguous for the non-designers.
Cheers,
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> On 12 Aug 2017, at 19:18, Don Norman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Philippe
>
> What bothered me about the announcement was the strong implication
> that these six disciplines covered all of design.
>
> I wouldn't have been at all bothered had the announcement stated that
> these particular specialties would be begathering together.
>
> Note that the professionalization and need for formal governmental
> recognition is truly required only when there are safety, health, or
> economic concerns that impact society or citizens. Hence, architects
> (and civil engineers who work with architects) need to be certified.
> The kinds of design I represent do not need certification. (I am also
> an engineer, but never bothered to become a registered engineer
> because neither circuit design, computer systems design, nor
> programming - which is what I did -- do not require it. (We may have
> to certify programmers in this modern world of incompetent programming
> that has major security, privacy, and economic
> consequences.)
>
> Most of the modern design groups do have professional societies, but
> often not those of traditional design. Thus, many interaction
> designers belong to the ACM, the Computer Science professional
> society. Others might belong to other professional societies, none of
> which have the word "design" in the title.
>
> Engineering Design does have its own societies and
> national/international
> conferences: why was it absent from the list?
>
> ===
> Design has become a complex field. It is probably the case that no
> single organization or conference can represent all of it. Note that
> this is true for other fileds, for example, engineering, social science, medicine.
> Instead, there are multiple societies and specialized societies.
> Neither the American Psychological Association nor the International
> Congress of Psychology covers all psychologists.
>
> We live in a complex world.
>
> Don
>
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