Peter, I know nothing about Schönberg, so, yes, I am talking about what is popularly understood as a "song"--whether by Dylan or any other songwriter, no matter how awful the song. It's the category of "song" that interests me and not the expertise or not by which it's written. A bad song is still to me a poem, as is a bad poem still poetry.
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Peter Riley wrote:
I don't think Jamie and David are talking about the same kind of
song or poetry or music, but I don't know what kinds they are talking
about, except I think Jamie means written music which "sets" a pre-
existing poem, broadly "classical". David may be talking about singer-
songwriter stuff -- I don't know but I don't think his idea of song
includes Schönberg. I think my notion of song is broad, and global,
but it doesn't include Bob Dylan, who I probably last listened to
about 45 years ago.
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