True on both counts.
Buona domenica,
Jamie
> On 23 Oct 2016, at 13:38, Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Jamie, I'll bow out too. We will never see eye to eye on this. It's not really important anyway, compared to the real problems in the world at present.
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> On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 19:19, Jamie McKendrick wrote:
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> Hi Jeff,
> My view, as you'll no doubt have guessed, is that 'empirical' never
> adequately described the range of what you call 'mainstream' poetry anyway,
> or at least not the better examples of it, so it's hard to say how far it's
> altered during your 16 years of abstinence. As you'll be well aware,
> Wordsworth is read very differently from you by many in the avant-garde
> tradition, not least by Prynne. The descriptive has many mansions and not
> that many look out the same way.
> I didn't conclude you were saying these elements I listed 'need
> necessarily have no place in poetry that isn't descriptive' but that your
> way of reading poems 'largely ignored' them. We seem to agree, though, that
> neither of us are likely to convince the other, so with all respect I'll
> probably sign off on this,
> Jamie
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