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Re: RELION error in writing .tmp files on multi node run

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Sjors Scheres <[log in to unmask]>

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Sjors Scheres <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 23 Jun 2016 03:26:44 +0100

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In relion-2, the default (at least in the GUI) will actually change to not
using the disk. We originally went from MPI messages to default disk-I/O
because we had bugs on the network cards of our (now older) cluster.
Recently, we haven't observed those problems anymore and MPI messages seem
to be much faster.
HTH,
Sjors

> Thanks Sjors,
>
> You once again saved the day.
>
> We have now run a bunch of tests and your
> "—dont_combine_weights_via_disc” setting did the trick.
>
> We are looking so forward to getting our new parallel cluster file system,
> but until then we will use this setting for multi node RELION jobs.
>
> Thank you so much again.
>
> //Jesper
>
> ------------------------------------
> Jesper Lykkegaard Karlsen
> Scientific Computing
> Centre for Structural Biology
> Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics
> Aarhus University
> Gustav Wieds Vej 10C
> 8000 Aarhus C
>
> E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Tlf: 50906203
>
> On 22 Jun 2016, at 14:53, Sjors Scheres
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> If disk access is a problem somehow (and it seems it is), one can also
> try
> --dont_combine_weights_via_disc. That will use MPI messages instead of
> writing to disk.
> HTH,
> Sjors
> hi,
>
> could also be a quota, even if it has enough space with "df".
>
> things i would check now:
> - are all nodes & storage in time sync by ntp?
> - do all nodes have the same mount/cache options (e.g. for nfs when the
> client closes the file and commits to the fileserver).
> - are all nodes from the same architecture (we sometime used relion in
> parallel on nodes with different cpu speeds and never had this error)?
> - is it always the same node and same file which has the problem?
>
> cheers,
> wolfgang
>
>
>
> On 06/22/2016 01:55 PM, Ludovic Renault wrote:
> Have you ran out of space?
> I've seen this type of errors when hard drives are full.
> Seems too easy but that would be my first thought.
>
> Ludo
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Jesper Lykkegaard Karlsen
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>    Hi all,
>
>    I have been struggling with a weird RELION problem on our CPU
>    cluster (CentOS 7).
>
>    The cluster uses the SLURM queuing system (v.15.08.10).
>
>    When running RELION 3D_refine jobs over multiple nodes I get this
>    error after a few iterations:
>
>        MultidimArray::read: File Class3D/run3_rank000001.tmp not found
>        File: ./src/multidim_array.h line: 3936
>
>    Looking in the Class3D folder it is clear that the
>    "run3_rank000001.tmp" gets created 26 second later than the rest
>    of the tmp files.
>
>        $ ls -rt | grep .tmp | xargs stat -c '%n %y' | awk '{print
>    $1,$3}' | tail -n 10
>        run3_rank000025.tmp 10:47:12.095859492
>        run3_rank000020.tmp 10:47:12.095859492
>        run3_rank000002.tmp 10:47:12.098859492
>        run3_rank000027.tmp 10:47:12.099859492
>        run3_rank000022.tmp 10:47:12.099859492
>        run3_rank000005.tmp 10:47:12.099859492
>        run3_rank000023.tmp 10:47:12.100859492
>        run3_rank000016.tmp 10:47:12.101859492
>        run3_rank000019.tmp 10:47:12.102859492
>        run3_rank000001.tmp 10:47:38.072860845
>
>    I thought at first this could be a configuration issue, but by now
>    I have tried a lot of combinations, using different version of
>    OpenMPI, compiled with different versions of GCC and I even
>    disabled TSO and even GSO on the network cards. Nothing has worked
>    so far.
>
>    Since it seems consistent that the "run3_rank000001.tmp" gets
>    written last and apparently after RELION crashes. I thought I
>    might dare and and ask you guys, although this seems like a
>    sysadmin related question, or is it possible that RELION could
>    have a bug?
>
>    Has anyone seen anything similar and if so did you figure out a
>    solution?
>
>    Cheers,
>    Jesper
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
> SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE PRINTING
>
>
>
> --
> Sjors Scheres
> MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
> Francis Crick Avenue, Cambridge Biomedical Campus
> Cambridge CB2 0QH, U.K.
> tel: +44 (0)1223 267061
> http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/groups/scheres
>
>


-- 
Sjors Scheres
MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
Francis Crick Avenue, Cambridge Biomedical Campus
Cambridge CB2 0QH, U.K.
tel: +44 (0)1223 267061
http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/groups/scheres

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