Brilliant! I think that you could add that Amy is from the US as that indicates she is not knowledgable of the U.K system?
Jen

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> On 25 Feb 2016, at 23:23, Soo Downe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> So maybe the piece goes something like:
>
> <<<<<- we are somewhat astonished that the New Scientists is citing Amy tueter, blogger, as the evidence base for their claims that natural birth is killing babies
> -this assumes that the New Scientist does not believe or accept xxx funded and published RCTs on the benefits of continuity of midwifery led care including  yyy thousand women from zzz countries,  and of out of hospital birth 9xxx studies, yyy thousand women from zzz countries), the evidence from Cochrane reviews that continuity of midwifery care reduces preterm birth and overall fetal and neonatal death, NICE on birth place and the benefits of physiological birth for mother and baby in the short and longer term, or the findings in the recent Lancet Stillbirth Series that very few babies die intrapartum in high income countries (even in the UK)
> -Does the New Scientist therefore not believe any evidence produced by NICE and the Cochrane Collaboration, given that the maternity services evidence is based on exactly the same standards as all the other NICE and cochranere reviews?
>
> If we are really at a point when a personal opinion from a blogger who is known to strongly oppose normal birth and midwife care, and the findings from one single Trust,   trumps years of serious research, maybe we can save millions of pounds in future by not undertaking RCTS or guideline development, and just organising policy on the basis of the views of a few individuals and a few specific cases.
>
> if the new scientist does not think this is the way to determine policy in health care, it would be very helpful if they could provide the evidence base (beyond anecdote) that introducing a policy of maximising normal birth where possible,  based on continuity of midwifery led care, and seamless links to obstetric support, will increase stillbirths for whole populations of women.>>>>
>
> `Just a starter for ten! Then maybe we can see who wants to sign up to this or something like it! If anyone wants to fill in the gaps/make amendments and etc, seek out some co-signatories who are not midwives, that would be great!
>
> All the best
>
> Soo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soo Downe
> Sent: 25 February 2016 23:09
> To: [log in to unmask]; 'Jenny Hall'
> Subject: RE: New scientist - article
>
> oh, its so tiring isn’t it to keep having this mantra repeated.... I wonder if we should have an article signed by, I don’t know, hundreds of doctors and midwives and neonatologists, and epidemiologists, from all over the world, as a counter-balance from citing 'Amy Tueter, blogger' as the evidence base for a journalists piece...??
>
> All the best
>
> Soo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jenny Hall
> Sent: 25 February 2016 23:04
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: New scientist - article
>
> Dear all
> A disappointing article in the New Scientist.
> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2078853-push-for-natural-birth-a-dangerous-flaw-in-uk-maternity-review/
>
> Anyone want to respond?
> Best wishes
> Jenny
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