"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall take flak from both sides."
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From: CCP4 bulletin board <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Dale Tronrud <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2016 6:50 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] questionable structures
Have you looked at the comments section of any page on the web, or
followed the traffic on Twitter? Once I set up a place on my web server
to display my photos and thought "Wouldn't it be interesting if my
friends could post comments?". The site was rapidly filled with ads for
a Russian porn site and I had to shut it down.
While I think some means of commenting on deposited structures or
even publications would be interesting, setting it up would not be
"quick". It would require a huge amount of maintenance to filter out
the steady stream of nonsense. This would inevitably lead to arguments
from people who don't think their posts are nonsense, and in some cases
they will be correct. The arbitration process would be the same one we
are arguing about now.
It will be interesting to see the hiring process for the poor slob
who has to make these decisions - A person who will be yelled at,
cursed, sued, and probably SWATted from time to time. The Internet is a
very ugly place.
Dale Tronrud
On 1/21/2016 12:19 PM, Bellini, Dom wrote:
> Perhaps a temporary and quick solution could be to have an online
> spreadsheet where every one could annotate erroneous structures when
> they encounter one (writing down PDB code with a comment).
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> It wont solve publication-related issues but at least it would help
> people working with PDB big data to filter out the ones on the list from
> their databases.
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> I am taking bets on how long the list will be!
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> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of
> Bernhard Rupp <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* 21 January 2016 19:56
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] questionable structures
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> Simple statement: "The structure model is is almost certainly wrong (to
> the point of 'beyond reasonable doubt') and it should not be in any data
> base."
> How to handle the rest of the paper depends on the degree of inference
> based on the flawed model. But I am not doing all the work for the
> editors ;-)
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> BR
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> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Keller, Jacob <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> Not clear what more you would have wanted to the editor to
> write—what’s missing?____
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> Or were you commenting on the lack of concrete actions?____
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> JPK____
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