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Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales and Thomas Trevithick

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David Hardwick <[log in to unmask]>

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Thanks Lynne

The Amlwch database (online) has him in the 1861 census but NOT in the 1871 & 1881
He is in Frampton Cotterell in 1871 - if it is the same guy - and from memory he had died prior to the 1881 census
I haven’t been able to find reference to him in the 1871 &1881 census for Amlwch - can you check where your reference that  he "continued to be described mine agent in the Amlwch census in 1871 and 1881” since if that is the case I may have the wrong man

The website of the Parys Underground Group (http://www.parysmountain.co.uk/) includes the quote
"However things went down hill again after 1870 when the lease was pasted to Parys Mines Reconstructed Ltd. Some of the engineers like Captain Trevithick and Williams left the mine"

I haven’t yet tracked down the source of that but it does suggest he left in time to appear in Frampton Cotterell at the time of the 1871 Census

The Williams they refer to is James Williams and their site also includes the comment that James Williams was a

"… Mona mine assayer in 1857 who earned £108 pa. 
James Williams left with Captain Trevithick  in 1870 to start work in Canada."

There is ambiguity in the second sentence in that although they both left in 1870 it is unclear if they both went to Canada. The Parys Underground group clearly do since the same site also indicates regarding Thomas Trevithick that

"Captain [Trevethick]  left  to go to Canada as a mining captain in 1870 due to poor conditions at PM."

 It may be that there was an intention to go to Cnada and he never got there (Williams may have) and the answer may be in the original source but again it is one I have not tracked down yet

NB - if your info that they replaced John Treweek in 1870 is correct and they left for Canada &/or Gloucestershire in the same year they didn’t have that role long

Regards

David




http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/newdata/databases/Amlwch%201881.htm

On 14 Dec 2015, at 10:09, Lynne Mayers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Many thanks to all who have already contributed information on these Cornish miners. It has been most helpful.
> 
> This is what I have on Thomas Trevithick at Parys Mountain (from Amlwch Heritage Trust + Census records):
> 
> John Treweek, in turn, was replaced by Cornish engineers Captain Thomas Trevithick and Captain James Williams, sometime after 1870, although the former was acting as mine agent in 1861, living in a house on Cemaes Road with his wife Sarah. He had been born in Stithians in 1818, and she in Crowan in 1819.  He continued to be described mine agent in the Amlwch census in 1871 and 1881
> 
> Lynne
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: David Hardwick
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 8:43 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
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> Dear All
> 
> Not quite the same but a similar thread if it helps
> 
> Have been researching  Trevithick, Thomas  the mine manger at Frampton Cotterell Iron Mine in the 1870s
> Originally from Cornwall (as the name suggests but also an assayer on Anglesey (as well as a Californian Gold rush miner)
> 
> Anyone with any additional info on him?
> 
> David
> 
> On 13 Dec 2015, at 18:39, Claughton, Peter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Edmund Spargo turned up in conversation today at the Welsh Mimes Preservation Trust meeting - he wrote a report on Cwmbyr which turned up in the BGS archives. There may be others of his in that repository.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Dr Peter Claughton - Mobile phone +44 (0)7831 427599
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>> From: Lynne Mayers<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: ý13/ý12/ý2015 12:30
>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: [mining-history] Cornish Captains in North Wales
>> 
>> Does anyone have information on the movements of the following Cornish Mine Captains in North Wales please (the brackets denote where I know they were), but I suspect they may have been other places too:
>> 
>> Richard Dutson/Datson (Beddgelert)
>> George Davey (LLandudno)
>> William Pascoe (Sygun)
>> Jonathan Rawlings (LLandudno)
>> Joseph Tamblyn (Llnadudno)
>> Edmund Spargo (Snowdon)
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>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Lynne
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