Thanks all!
Dave / Owen - totally agree and interestingly that's the same feedback
almost exactly on the (small amount of) user testing I've done already.
Seems to me that I could potentially overcome this either by
1) Opening 2 windows when the button is clicked - one "main" window and
one "guide" window, sitting side by side. Better would have been to make
the main window resize as-is and open the guide window next to it - but
my understanding is that you can't normally do this in many modern
browsers...? But - shout if you know otherwise!
2) Use an extension as per Owen's suggestion. I've started looking into
this already and got someway towards a working model - but yes, you're
absolutely right, it's then browser specific and also harder as it's
more "installation" than just "drag this". On the other hand, with an
extension we'd be able to have it change state when you landed on the
right URL which would be really nice - or perhaps even more cunning get
it to say go orange when you land on the right domain, red when you're
on the exact URL - a kind of "warmer....warmer..." thing... Maybe we
need both.... - will keep playing!
Dave - re your question about what we're going to do with it - honestly
I don't know yet. We do have some games in the works based on this
model. But - we also have it now in a state so you or anyone else can
have a play creating paths, and I'm more than happy to set you or anyone
else up so you can do this. Just ping me off-list and I'll sort it out
for you.
Richard - no - it's (yup, I know) built in WordPress - purely because at
this stage I find it easiest to prototype with. It's not based yet on a
sound technical decision, more a "throw this up, see what sticks" basis.
Although having said that it does work quite nicely as-is - and the next
idea which is to allow people to use the bookmarklet in "author" mode is
going to be reasonably easy to implement given how I've put it together
so far.
Anyway. Thanks all - any more thoughts, keep them coming :-)
tt
Mike
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Richard Light wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Interesting. Is this something that could be implemented using Open
> Annotation [1]? Or maybe that's how you're already doing it ... :-)
>
> Richard
>
> [1] http://www.openannotation.org/
>
> On 2015-12-11 9:46 AM, Mike Ellis wrote:
>> Me again (sorry Mia)
>>
>> I mentioned recently that we're playing with a bit of a prototype.
>>
>> Here's a first pass:
>>
>> http://webstories.co.uk/
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear what you think - does it make sense? Does
>> it work? If not, why not?
>>
>> cheers!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________
>>
>>
>> *Mike Ellis *
>>
>> Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital
>> agency:http://thirty8.co.uk <http://thirty8.co.uk/>
>>
>> * My book: http://heritageweb.co.uk <http://heritageweb.co.uk/> *
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Ellis wrote:
>>> Thanks all - really interesting examples and links - and also lots
>>> of enthusiasm, which is always nice :-)
>>>
>>> I'll try and get some kind of prototype visible on the web soon at
>>> which point hopefully things will make a bit more sense..
>>>
>>> ttfn
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> *Mike Ellis *
>>>
>>> Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital
>>> agency:http://thirty8.co.uk <http://thirty8.co.uk/>
>>>
>>> * My book: http://heritageweb.co.uk <http://heritageweb.co.uk/> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> jon pratty wrote:
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> I always thought Webquests were interesting because they had the
>>>> potential
>>>> to get authors, curatorial staff or 'content creators' thinking
>>>> about how
>>>> their collections connected to other collections in the context of the
>>>> national curriculum. For me, that's one of the most important
>>>> opportunities
>>>> digital curation brings to museums (and archives) and audiences,
>>>> and yet
>>>> many online collections still don't appear to gear outwards to other
>>>> objects and themes, they're still all about looking inwards.
>>>>
>>>> The ambitions of the National Museums Online Learning Project were
>>>> on the
>>>> right lines; it'd be cool to see what your toolset or platform can
>>>> deliver
>>>> using today's tech.
>>>>
>>>> JP
>>>>
>>>> Jon Pratty, FRSA
>>>> Creative Digital Producer
>>>> 07739 287392
>>>> @jon_pratty
>>>> Chair, Brighton Digital Festival
>>>> CIC<http://brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/>
>>>> Creative Network Programmer, Ideas Test<http://ideastest.co.uk/>
>>>> Associate Director, Tech Resort CIC<http://techresorteb.com/>
>>>> Associate Director, People in IT Ltd<http://www.peopleinit.org.uk/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Paul
>>>> Trafford<[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mike and Owen,
>>>>>
>>>>> The path creation scheme at Oxford has a long history.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea of a pathway arose from an earlier project to study World
>>>>> War One
>>>>> poetry conducted by the former Humanities Computing Services in
>>>>> the former
>>>>> Oxford University Computing Services, which shows how old it is!
>>>>> (OUCS
>>>>> merged with two other departments to form IT Services.)
>>>>>
>>>>> It was conceived, I think, by Dr Stuart Lee and the technical
>>>>> development
>>>>> was led by Paul Groves, with programming carried out mainly by Chris
>>>>> Stephens. There is an early reference to this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ahds.ac.uk/__text__/history/creating/case-studies/wilfred/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There followed the Pacific Pathways project at Pitt Rivers Museum,
>>>>> Oxford. Brief overview at:
>>>>> http://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/museumresearchprevious.html
>>>>>
>>>>> It's no longer available, but project details and some pathways
>>>>> have been
>>>>> partially archived at:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20060206094819/http://projects.prm.ox.ac.uk/forster/pathways.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pathways were later included in the First World War Poetry Digital
>>>>> Archive, a project managed by Kate Lindsay of the RunCoCo team
>>>>> http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ww1lit/education/pathways
>>>>>
>>>>> Evaluation may be found in reports from 2008 and 2010. See
>>>>> http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ww1lit/about/documentation
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest getting in touch with Kate or other members of the
>>>>> RunCoCo team,
>>>>> who should be able to tell you about the evaluation.
>>>>> http://projects.oucs.ox.ac.uk/runcoco/about/team.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I too like this kind of approach, particularly how different
>>>>> levels of
>>>>> involvement may be supported.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this gives some helpful background.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Trafford
>>>>> Web Officer
>>>>> Museum of the History of Science
>>>>> Broad Street
>>>>> Oxford OX1 3AZ
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: Museums Computer Group [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of
>>>>> Mike Ellis
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>>> Sent: 26 November 2015 12:08
>>>>> To:[log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Webquests
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Owen, that's great, and definitely closer to what we're
>>>>> thinking
>>>>> about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be really interesting to know if anyone used(s) it...
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _____________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Mike Ellis *
>>>>>
>>>>> Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital
>>>>> agency:http://thirty8.co.uk <http://thirty8.co.uk/>
>>>>>
>>>>> * My book:http://heritageweb.co.uk <http://heritageweb.co.uk/> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Owen Stephens wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The concept you describe puts me in mind of the 'Pathways' that were
>>>>> (are?) supported by the venerable First World War Poetry Archive -
>>>>> http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ww1lit/education/pathways
>>>>>> I always really liked this idea but I'm not sure how much real world
>>>>> take up it got
>>>>>> Owen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Owen Stephens
>>>>>> Owen Stephens Consulting
>>>>>> Web:http://www.ostephens.com
>>>>>> Email:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Telephone: 0121 288 6936
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 11:06, Mike Ellis<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all (apologies for cross-posting)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're developing a tool which will allow educators to build what we
>>>>> have been calling "web quests" - basically journeys through the
>>>>> web with a
>>>>> level of curation to help users make that journey.
>>>>>>> I know the phrase "webquest" is actually A Thing. See
>>>>> http://webquest.org.
>>>>>>> Now - if you look at the "recently published" webquests list (
>>>>> http://questgarden.com/author/reports/recentpubs.php - the search
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> appear to work...) you'll see that a webquest seems to be
>>>>> basically "a
>>>>> simple set of web pages" with some kind of authoring system
>>>>> underneath it.
>>>>>>> This isn't at all what we're developing - the tool we've got sits
>>>>> alongside existing web pages and guides people through these so
>>>>> that users
>>>>> can refer back to the direction the journey is taking at any time.
>>>>>>> So my questions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Does anyone on the list recognise or use the webquest.org
>>>>>>> model -
>>>>> is it still a thing? Is it useful?
>>>>>>> 2) Do you have any examples you can point me to which are more
>>>>>>> like the
>>>>> thing we're proposing? Or is my description too fluffy for words...
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _____________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mike Ellis *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital agency:
>>>>> http://thirty8.co.uk<http://thirty8.co.uk/>
>>>>>>> * My book:http://heritageweb.co.uk<http://heritageweb.co.uk/> *
>>>>>>>
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