I should have said that it is Treatise which I value the most now
L
On 23 December 2015 at 15:48, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Ah his radicalisation.
> There were a few of those.
> I knew of him and paid some heed but didn't go out of my way.
> I can't put a date on it.... In such cases one works backwards as well as
> following; but I did both a little indirectly. Obviously I read about the
> serialism and Cage influences. I was a child then.
> I began to be aware around Morley College - Scratch Orchestra, AMM
> It was odd because I was crossing and recrossing his paths in the same few
> square miles for some time.
> I was never very sure of Comrade Mao or those who hero-worshipped him...
> Cardew's rejection of "avant garde" didn't encourage me; by the time I
> began moving towards intermedial approaches, mid 70s, he'd moved on...
>
> I think it was 2000, yes that late, that I walked into the Union Chapel at
> Highbury. I now have no recollection what it was that I thought I was going
> to. It was a full blown workshop on The Great Learning; but it seems that I
> was so overwhelmed by the reality that my brains were wiped of prior
> knowledge.
>
> I participated. & with enthusiasm. Gawd I learned a lot
>
> And that took me to Germany some time later where we went here and there
> talking about The Great Learning, performing bits of the Great Learning, et
> cetera
>
> I recall doing that in the Thomas Church in Leipzig and wondering if we'd
> be lynched after. But they loved it.
>
> er...
>
> ask me another
>
> L
>
> On 23 December 2015 at 15:27, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> only recently did I learn of Cardew’s radicalization,
>> so I wonder at what point he interested you, Lawrence, and for how
>> long…and of course in what way...
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 7:23, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm happy to. (I'll be shuffling off - hopefully not my mortal coil -
>> into
>> > internet silence for some days soon.)
>> > In what sense?
>> >
>> > The actual exchange was bonkers. He said he knew what it meant; but
>> didn't
>> > know Kernewek / Cornish.
>> > Like me I said.
>> >
>> > Just place name Cornish.
>> > No he didn't know that.
>> >
>> > And then he went on again. With me saying no to almost everything.
>> > Since I wrote that email, I checked myself against creeping doubt and
>> found
>> > that CC was born in Glucestershire and his father in London. His father
>> had
>> > been a highly praised student of Bernard Leach in St Ives and had moved
>> to
>> > Cornwall.
>> >
>> > So.... ? Do ask. If I can answer I shall
>> >
>> > L
>> > Bear of little brain
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 23 December 2015 at 15:06, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Some time I should like you to tell us about your Cardew experiences,
>> >> Lawrence,
>> >>
>> >> Max
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 23, 2015, at 3:37, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It being the ides of Christmas and my brain being a little dormant, I
>> >> offer
>> >>> a snapshot of where my head is: some recent ideas for t-shirt slogans
>> >> that
>> >>> I do not have the funds to realise
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> HOLE EARTH
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> and
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> PLEASE ASK FOR ASSISTANCE
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> (I did have, must still have somewhere, a t-shirt which said Kernow
>> bys
>> >>> vyken, or Cornwall for ever which I wore for annoyance value as much
>> as
>> >>> anything; but was then annoyed when figuratively buttonholed at a
>> >> Cornelius
>> >>> Cardew event by an enthusiast who insisted I was wearing it as a
>> tribute,
>> >>> Cardew having been born in Cornwall.)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> or there's this from my Christmas e-card
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> “Good grief!” exclaimed Gandalf, “Don't you Hobbits listen to
>> anything?
>> >>>
>> >>> We are in alliance with Mordor. Yes?
>> >>>
>> >>> Mordor has *our* best interests at heart. Yes?”
>> >>>
>> >>> “I thought –“, began Sam, but Gandalf silenced him by continuing to
>> >> speak:
>> >>> “I have tremendous admiration for Sauron even if I disagree on some
>> >> matters
>> >>> of policy.”
>> >>>
>> >>> “Surely –“, began Sam, whereupon Gandalf hit him across the bridge of
>> the
>> >>> nose with his staff.
>> >>>
>> >>> “No surelies, Sam. No thoughts. Now listen. I know I said once that
>> The
>> >>> Ring could be destroyed in Mount Doom; but no one seriously proposes
>> that
>> >>> nowadays; and certainly not Secretary of State Gollum. The Ring has
>> kept
>> >>> the peace these 500 years. The danger we face is from Ring
>> >> Proliferation. I
>> >>> hope I don't have to repeat myself again. To limit that danger we must
>> >> bomb
>> >>> Lorien. It's a clash of civilisation. It's their own fault.
>> >>>
>> >>> Frodo, stop fussing over Sam. Sam, I am sorry I didn’t use my staff in
>> >> the
>> >>> recommended manner, but it jams in this climate and only works as a
>> cosh.
>> >>> Frodo, get me some of that rough red wine and a lot of carbohydrate. I
>> >> have
>> >>> a big meeting tonight.”
>> >>
>>
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