regarding 1688, has anyone information about the contingent of Black soldiery [?caribbean or african?] that accompanied William of Orange on his arrival/invasion of Britain ? did they remain in Britain or return to Netherlands?
if there are any records, would they be in National or Royal Archives ?
Jan
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On Wed, 28/10/15, Kathleen Chater <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Subject: Re: Glorious Revolution [Was Re: 'homogeneous anglo-saxons'
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Date: Wednesday, 28 October, 2015, 17:39
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Glorious Revolution was actually 1688 - finger trouble or
ignorance? It reinforced constitutional monarchy, the idea
that - first mooted in Magna Carta - the king is not above
the law and needs to be subservient to the will of the
elected house of Parliament, although the electorate at that
time did not include non-property owners. The Glorious
Revolution is so called because no-one seems to have died,
although there were riots in London - but hey! when have
Londoners not taken an excuse to riot?
The deposition of Catholic
James II and his replacement by Protestant William III was
prompted mainly by fears that the autocracy of (French)
Louis XIV who revoked the Edict of Nantes in 1685 and
declared open season on Protestants would be repeated by
James II, an advocate of more rights for Catholics and the
Divine Right of Kings. Some people never learn - his
father lost his head in pursuit of this mantra. Thousands
of Huguenot refugees from France with horror stories of
their treatment there (enslavement in the galleys,
imprisonment of women, children taken away to be brought up
in convents, etc) were flooding into England at this time,
stoking fears that James II would go the same way. At this
time religion and political were, across Europe,
inseperable. Unfortunately the religious aspect has rather
lost out, although at the time it was more important. If
you read the various visitors to England a bit later, like
Voltaire and the La Rochefoucauld brothers, you will see
that the contistitutional monarchy introduced was widely
admired in pre-Revolutionary France and some of the
territories of the Holy (Catholic) Roman Empire. Not quite
as parochial as just a landowner-merchant pact.
Kathy
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015
12:46:20 +0100
From:
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Subject: Glorious
Revolution [Was Re: 'homogeneous anglo-saxons'
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Hi
everyone
A belated response.
The Glorious Revolution of 1689 was of great
significance.
Landowners and merchants decided to stop fighting each
other and focus on building a powerful empire and getting
rich.
But it was a side effect that ordinary people in
England gained some rights.
comments welcome
Max Boucher
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 at
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From: "Kathleen Chater"
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Subject: Re: 'homogeneous
anglo-saxons'
This is interesting. The Scots, Irish and Welsh call
themselves Celts - and some Northerners like the idea of
being Vikings. British is actually a political identity
and MT (to give her her due - although that's always a
struggle) does use it in a political context of democracy,
law and the like. And she's right - Magna Carta,
Glorious Revolution, etc. (although it used to be
fashionable in Leftie circles to say yes, but they don't
meet Marxist standards) were for their time pretty damn
revolutionary. I've been commissioned to write a book
on the Reformation and looking at Europe from the 16th to
18th century does make you realise that England, and then
Britain, was astonishingly democratic by the standards of
the day. You only have to read visitors' accounts,
like the La Rochefoucauld brothers and the German aristo who
was horrified by the way ordinary people could sue their
betters in the courts of law.
John Townend, who actually used the term
"anglo-saxon" went to primary school pre-WWII and
doesn't seem to have kept up with changes in
terminology. He's now UKIP. Every party's got
its fringe lunatics who haven't kept up with the news.
Now who else do we know this could apply to?
Kathy
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015
16:50:56 +0800
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Hi Marika,
Thatcher did notoriously say in a radio interview:
”People are really rather
afraid that this country might be rather swamped by people
with a different culture and you know, the British character
has done so much for democracy, for law and done so much
throughout the world.”
The implication here is
that Britain is a country with a homogeneous population.
The further implication is that this population is white and
therefore may be assumed to be Anglo-Saxon.
cheers,
Jon
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015
07:36:34 +0000
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I had a search of the database of most of her
speeches and interviews at margaretthatcher.org and
couldn't find anything. According to the Daniel
Burdsey's 'British Asians and Football' (p. 85),
Tory MP John Townend used the phrase in 2001.
See this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1328295/I-refuse-to-keep-quiet-on-race-says-rebel-MP.html
Evan
Dr Evan Smith
Vice-Chancellor's Postdoctoral Research Fellow
School of History and International Relations
Flinders
University
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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 5:00 PM
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Subject: 'homogeneous anglo-saxons'
Good morning!
Does anyone know when Maggie
Thatcher said we were all ‘homogeneous anglo-saxons'
?
Many thanks.
Marika
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