Good evening, Alana, thank you for your prompt response..I am glad that we are in agreement and I share your view that these things are not mutually exclusive. Interestingly enough, I applied for your vacated post at Sussex but didn't even get shortlisted! Would be interesting to know who was appointed. There is a problem in your response about how 'we' can amplify black voices...who is/are the 'we' to whom you refer? Are we, as Black academics dependent on privileged white academics to open up spaces for our voices? Ad why is it that racism is or appears to be 'shouted' by white voices? Are shouting Black voices getting lost, going unheard, and if so, why? Is it indeed the case that it is a privilege of white people to speak on 'racism'? This has really been troubling me..black scholars who research and write on racism are differentially situated when it comes to funding, etc. We have to JUSTIFY our interests in race, as well as being reduced to the sum of our race, i.e that we can only write and speak about race..and even then, that knowledge must be validated by scholars who are not white.....
We need to interrogate ourselves, to have open and honest conversations about who gets to teach and read and think and publish around race and racism...I am writing to you from Jamaica; I spent around 15 years in UK HE, but when i was eventually forced out, could not secure a post in the UK HE ...ironically 'race' is no considered a 'problem' here in this post-colonial society...
Dr.Cecily Jones
Senior Lecturer
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 08:19 PM
To: JONES,Cecily
Cc: Race & Ethnicity Study Group/Forum (BSA) List
Subject: Re: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
Hi Cecily,
I completely agree with everything you have said, but I don’t think this is mutually exclusive. The comments on Twitter were not about how can we can amplify black voices, but about how racism is only ever ‘shouted’ by white academics who abuse their privilege (Notice that racism is only thought os as ‘denunciation’ and as a liberal concern, rather than as central to class/power analysis). These commenters completely ignored the black people on Twitter, such as @judeinlondon, who were making highly prescient critiques of Lisa McKenzie’s article, so I agree that there is a serious problem that needs discussion. Social media engagement might not be the place to do it, but certainly a conversation needs to be started about how our field needs to take responsibility for its participation in the marginalisation you speak of.
I’d be happy to hear any suggestions about how to take this forward. For my part, I have become involved in the Why is My curriculum White? campaign in Australia and we are taking baby steps towards raising these difficult questions, which of course relate fundamentally to hiring practices before all else.
Best wishes,
alana
On 22 Sep 2015, at 11:06 am, JONES,Cecily <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Alana, I am going to throw an iron into the fire here...think for a moment about the privilege of writing from a white standpoint on this topic...it is something that i have been thinking about for some time, but I have refrained from doing so precisely because as a Black academic, I suspect that I would struggle to get such a paper published..I do think that white academics are able to talk about white privileges in ways that get heard and listened to and taken notice of when said by white (or those perceived as white) academics, but get dismissed or ignored, or worse derided, when said by Black scholars...as scholars of 'race', we ourselves need to think about and have honest and open conversations about who legitimately gets to teach and write and research and publish on race...and how this shapes an informs the politics of race....
> best wishes
> Dr.Cecily Jones
> Senior Lecturer
> Institute for Gender and Development Studies
> Alister McIntyre Building, Building 6, Block F
> The University of the West Indies
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> From: Race & Ethnicity Study Group/Forum (BSA) List [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alana Lentin [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 07:35 PM
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>
> Thanks Kehinde and everyone for your thought provoking responses. I have just received this response below which I think sums up the problem in play here and which I have observed before: discussions of racism are seen as inherently middle class and academics who work on race and who are perceived as white, are seen as cynically utilising racism to further their own careers. I have meant to write something about this for a long time and now I will.
> [cid:B13F6FA6-ED98-48C9-8A71-02E72FD2285D]
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Alana
>
> Dr Alana Lentin
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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>
>
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 05:14, Kehinde Andrews <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> At this point I think most of the critiques of the article have been covered but I thought I'd add my two cents (pence). The 1200 word limit as a defence is frankly absurd. 1200 words in a paper is an extended piece (often you're asked to write half that) and still be coherent). It ironic that critics are apparently 'ivory tower academics' who don't get it; but the defence of the article is that she couldn't possibly articulate complex ideas in 1000 words. 1200 words is plenty to put forward a coherent argument and surely we have a responsibility to make sure that when we do popular pieces, they can't be misused. When the BNP is tweeting your articles something has gone seriously wrong. This is vitally important because most people aren't going to have read her academic work, this is the stuff they will engage in.
>
> On top of the political and theoretical objections (the problem of the racism and the Left) I think this is also partly down to method. One of the dangers in ethnography is that you get too caught up in the daily 'realities' of the participants. Surely it is our responsibilities as academics, activists, just citizens to contextualise the everyday in wider systems of inequalities. The white working class have certainly been neglected by the state but no more so than the Black and brown poor. The idea that the white Working class problems are related to migration is posoinous and inaccurate. We shouldn't be endorsing this idea but challenging it.
>
> Kehinde
>
>
> Dr Kehinde Andrews
> Senior Lecturer in Sociology
> Birmingham City University
> Curzon Building
> Tel. +441213315526
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Bates <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Date: 21/09/2015 18:43 (GMT+00:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
>
> I think the critiques offered in those letters to the Guardian by Julia, Yasmin and Bridget, as well as Tom, are pretty much spot on, both in tone and in content. Like Natalia above, I've read some of Lisa McKenzie's other work and I thought it was great. I don't think it's fair simply to denounce, dismiss or abuse Lisa (or her article) for being "racist" as some on Twitter have been doing, which is why I found the measured and constructive comments expressed above very welcome. Lisa's article is at least correct (in my view) to draw to attention to the class dimension of asylum, racism and anti-racism in the UK, but its approach is misguided, particularly in drawing on anecdotes which simply take racialised "hostility themes" at face value. Those numerous references to a "white working class" are problematic too, as Aaron has mentioned.
>
> I'm sure I'm not alone on here in saying that as an activist myself I've often encountered the perspectives found both in Lisa's anecdotes and embodied in the article itself. Again, I share Lisa's feeling that simple condemnation is rarely appropriate, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't argue the point where possible; I've had many perfectly amicable conversations (and some not so very amicable ones!) with friends and strangers in which myths and rumours abound regarding asylum seekers and migrants. I've also had lots where people are brilliantly supportive. Shameless plug: me and Steve Kirkwood have written about anti-deportation campaigns in working class communities here: https://refugeereview.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/refugee-review-social-movement-vol-1-2013.pdf
>
> There is also a political aspect to this issue which I find interesting. The kind of class-reductionist insularity of the type on display here is still quite prevalent on the British left, including the revolutionary left. I know the Socialist Party (formerly the Militant Tendency for leftist trainspotters) have been opposed to the slogan "refugees welcome here" for some years, for reasons which are similar to those given by Lisa in her discussion of competition for resources in poorer communities. As I used to ask my friends in Militant: where do you draw on the line? Should estates, towns, cities and countries be sealed off to all newcomers (including students and local workers) or are such barriers just for people with the wrong skin colour?
>
> Comradely,
> David Bates
>
>
> On 21 September 2015 at 17:33, Aaron Winter <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> Thanks for sharing that Alana. That Twitter thread was quite something to read.
>
> I was struck by a few things in the piece: the racialisation of 'working class' as white, the way in which the piece seems to perpetuate or manifest divide and rule as opposed to challenge it and the ways in which it perpetuates not only racist stereotypes about the sexual threats posed by the racialised other, but the very stereotypes of (white) working class people being racist and susceptible to the far right that she seems to think she is challenging. Moreover, the notion that previous waves/generations of immigrants and refugees are ok, but the problem is the current group and context, reveals a lack of acknowledgement of both racism historically and white privilege.
>
> Best,
> Aaron
>
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> From: Race & Ethnicity Study Group/Forum (BSA) List [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of Karim.Murji [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> Sent: 21 September 2015 15:15
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
>
>
> Thanks for adding this Alana. I hadn't seen the Twitter exchange. Even within the 140 character format of Twitter it shocking to read 'also I don't think race is central. I think class is'. People on this list hardly need reminding that there is no 'raceless' class, it seems very odd for Lisa to believe there is.
>
>
>
> Karim
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>
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> From: Race & Ethnicity Study Group/Forum (BSA) List [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of Alana Lentin [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> Sent: 21 September 2015 15:04
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
>
> Dear all,
>
> As some of you have noticed, I engaged Lisa McKenzie in a debate of sorts on Twitter yesterday. Her responses revealed that she has thought very little about the kind of critique made by Julia, Yasmin and Bridget in their excellent response. She confined herself to repeating that she was unable to make her full critique in a 1200 word newspaper article and then descended into insulting appraisals of academics who she portrayed as lefty ivory tower dwellers who shout 'racism' every time the word class is mentioned. The extent to which her own discourse unwittingly mirrored some of that on the far right was noteworthy.
>
> I am trying to compile a Storify of the tweets and will mail it to the list. However, for the moment this screen grab sums up the problems in McKenzie's approaching my mind.
>
> [image1.PNG]
>
> Alana Lentin
>
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 23:07, Natalia Bremner <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Kjartan. Can I just say I really appreciate this mailing list. Also, Kehinde Andrews, keep the Guardian articles coming.
>
> But I am going to risk sticking my oar in here (I was called a white supremacist last week in the ‘Why is my curriculum white?’ facebook group last week, so feeling a bit gung-ho. Apologies).
>
> I haven’t read the original article article, and now that it has been appropriated by the BNP I don’t really want to. But I have read some of Lisa McKenzie’s work on her research in the St Anne’s estate in Nottingham. I thought it was excellent.
>
> Can I just say that I don’t agree with the use of titles (Dr, Prof) in the response letter. The authors should have either used them for everyone (so Dr Lisa McKenzie), or not at all. Otherwise, for me at least, it smacks of academic anxiety – which of course it shouldn’t.
>
> Best wishes,
> Natalia
>
> From: Race & Ethnicity Study Group/Forum (BSA) List [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Sveinsson,KP (pgr)
> Sent: 21 September 2015 14:05
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Subject: Re: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
>
> Dear all,
>
> Seems like Runnymede's publication Who Cares about the White Working Class? may still be relevant to the debate:
>
> http://www.runnymedetrust.org/publications/116/32.html
>
> I particularly draw your attention to Wendy Bottero's excellent turn of phrase:
>
> "If we really want to understand disadvantage, we need to shift our attention from who fights over the scraps from the table, to think instead about how much the table holds, and who really gets to enjoy the feast."
>
> It's depressing that we still need to make this simple argument.
>
> Kjartan
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: ULRIKE VIETEN <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>>
> Date: 21/09/2015 12:52 (GMT+00:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Subject: Re: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
>
> Thanks Aaron,
>
> I did not read it when it appeared in the Guardian last week. So, what do people on this list make of it?
>
> Best, Ulrike
>
>
> On Monday, 21 September 2015, 12:43, "Tufail, Waqas" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
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> The BNP have used their Twitter account to seemingly endorse the article (see attached screenshot). Perhaps this counts as impact?
>
> Waqas
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> Senior Lecturer in Criminology
> School of Social, Psychological and Communication Sciences
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> From: Race & Ethnicity Study Group/Forum (BSA) List <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> on behalf of Aaron Winter <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>>
> Sent: 21 September 2015 12:20
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Subject: Re: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
>
> Thank you Nirmal. That letter is included in the link I sent. It is very good and a much needed response. If members would like to respond, this email list is available for organising it.
>
> Best,
> Aaron
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nirmal Puwar [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>]
> Sent: 21 September 2015 12:12
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>; Aaron Winter
> Cc: Julia O'Connell Davidson; Yasmin Gunaratnam; Bridget Anderson
> Subject: Re: Guardian Article
>
>
> A number of sociologists who work on race have been disturbed by the article which appeared in The Guardian, not least of all because it rehearses the old race v class language of victimology in dichotomous terms with Powellite resonances https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw4vMZDItQo
>
>
> As a part of this discussion, a short version of a much longer response, co-written by Julia O'Connell-Davidson, Yasmin Gunaratnam and Bridget Anderson, has been published
>
>
> Here's the letter:
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/21/refugee-crisis-the-tug-of-war-between-hospitality-and-prejudice?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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> [https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Education/Pix/pictures/2015/9/21/1442820673728/A-woman-in-German-holds-u-009.jpg?w=1200&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=58ba6dea6e1be0c450e6975e8bafea27]<http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/21/refugee-crisis-the-tug-of-war-between-hospitality-and-prejudice?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other>
> Refugee crisis: the tug of war between hospitality and prejudice | Letters | World news | The Guardian
> Letters: The most powerless and stigmatised working-class communities in Britain have much in common with migrants
> Read more...<http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/21/refugee-crisis-the-tug-of-war-between-hospitality-and-prejudice?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other>
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> From: Race & Ethnicity Study Group/Forum (BSA) List <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> on behalf of Aaron Winter <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>>
> Sent: 21 September 2015 11:14
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Subject: [BSA-RACE] Guardian Article
>
> Dear All,
>
> The Guardian recently published this piece by Lisa Mckenzie: 'The refugee crisis will hit the UK's working class areas hardest'. It has received a lot of attention and critical-negative response, and I think it is something that BSA Race and Ethnicity study group and email list members should know about (those who do not already). I am including a link to the article (not an endorsement) and a link to responses to it in the letter section.
>
> Article: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/16/refugee-crisis-hit-uk-working-class-powerless
>
> Letters: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/21/refugee-crisis-the-tug-of-war-between-hospitality-and-prejudice?CMP=share_btn_tw
>
> Best,
> Aaron
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