I find a lot in what you say, Doug, about Olson. He made sense to me
immediately when I was studying a range of people post-1945 in one of my
educational programs. Olson absolutely takes hold of the spirit (for me)
and inspires the forwarding of which he speaks, and which he performs.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Well, I think everyone takes what they can & what seems applicable to
> their practice from Olson, if they take nothing at all.I happen to have
> read some of his poetry, & gotten into The New American Poetry when I was
> just starting out, & a bunch of the Black Mountain poets really influenced
> me (in whatever way). I still find Olson’s poetry far more interesting than
> most of the supposed great US poets of his time…
>
> If anything in his essays on poetics seem useful, that’s what counts…; if
> not, don’t worry it...
>
> Doug
> On Jul 25, 2015, at 1:42 AM, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ah, I see, Doug, Andrew, well at least will continue to think on:
> >
> > “the HEAD, by way of the EAR, to the SYLLABLE
> > the HEART, by way of the BREATH, to the LINE”
> >
> > Ii suppose I was trying, at least partly to explore such notions but i
> presume Olsen stipulates less drift, more deliberation or am I misreading
> completely?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill
> >
> > On 25/07/2015, at 1:27 AM, Douglas Barbour wrote:
> >
> >> He talks a out it in his most famous essay, ‘Projective Verse,’ &
> perhaps elsewhere as well…
> >>
> >> Doug
> >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, where, Doug? All I could find was a correspondence with Robert
> Creeley.
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>>> On 24 Jul 2015, at 9:50 am, Andrew Burke <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd be interested to read Olson on brackets, yes. Where is it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, Doug.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Andrew
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 24 July 2015 at 07:50, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, but Im tempted to invite you to find & read Olson on brackets….
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Doug
> >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:53 AM, andrew burke <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bravo! What a good result. Well done, Bill.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andrew
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 23 July 2015 at 20:20, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks, Pat. You keep me on my toes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 23/07/2015, at 7:14 PM, Patrick McManus wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What team work!!! Well done Bill and it works better (imho!) p
> drifting
> >>>>>>>> prosaically
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]]
> >>>>> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bill Wootton
> >>>>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2015 09:56
> >>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Drifters
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Great idea, Jill. Thank you. I can see how moving 'into poetry'
> to the
> >>>>>>> end
> >>>>>>>> would justify use of the delay-inducing sets of parentheses. And
> the
> >>>>>>>> 'uncanny' bit kind of doubles up the line about 'perception
> inverters
> >>>>>>>> doesn't it. My test with brackets is to read it through without
> the
> >>>>>>> brackets
> >>>>>>>> and see if that works. So I have fiddled a bit again now and cut.
> >>>>>>>> Transformations and propulsions have bitten the dust to allow
> 'drift'
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> have its head.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, see Pat, all this advice has helped. I think so anyway.
> Thanks too,
> >>>>>>>> Millicent, Doug, Max, Andrew.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is my 'worked' final version.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> drift
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Can words drift,
> >>>>>>>> (beginning prosaically,
> >>>>>>>> informatively, looking
> >>>>>>>> for all the world,
> >>>>>>>> to be workmanlike,
> >>>>>>>> jobbing sentence components)
> >>>>>>>> right beneath your eyes,
> >>>>>>>> and before you're aware,
> >>>>>>>> (through dint of odd
> >>>>>>>> placement
> >>>>>>>> or line
> >>>>>>>> turn)
> >>>>>>>> into mood-changers,
> >>>>>>>> joy-inspirers,
> >>>>>>>> perception-inverters,
> >>>>>>>> into poetry?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> bw
> >>>>>>>> 23 .7.15
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 23 Jul 2015, at 12:20 pm, Jill Jones <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Bill,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I like the brackets. Punctuation is there to be worked with (and
> >>>>> around,
> >>>>>>>> at times). I get how this is working with. Just a thought - and
> it's
> >>>>>>> simply
> >>>>>>>> a thought. To move 'into poetry' to the very end and do without
> 'into
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> uncanny'.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>> Jill
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 22/07/2015, at 7:29 AM, Bill Wootton wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Drifters
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> First drift
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Can words drift
> >>>>>>>>>> into poetry,
> >>>>>>>>>> (begin prosaically,
> >>>>>>>>>> informatively, looking
> >>>>>>>>>> for all the world at first,
> >>>>>>>>>> like workmanlike,
> >>>>>>>>>> jobbing sentence components)
> >>>>>>>>>> and then,
> >>>>>>>>>> (right under your eyes as it were,
> >>>>>>>>>> before you're aware)
> >>>>>>>>>> transform
> >>>>>>>>>> through dent of odd
> >>>>>>>>>> placement
> >>>>>>>>>> or line
> >>>>>>>>>> turn,
> >>>>>>>>>> into thought-provocative
> >>>>>>>>>> perception-inverters,
> >>>>>>>>>> mood-changers,
> >>>>>>>>>> joy inspirers,
> >>>>>>>>>> propellers
> >>>>>>>>>> into the
> >>>>>>>>>> uncanny?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Second drift
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Can words drift into poetry?
> >>>>>>>>>> Beginning prosaically,
> >>>>>>>>>> informatively, looking
> >>>>>>>>>> for all the world,
> >>>>>>>>>> to be workmanlike,
> >>>>>>>>>> jobbing sentence components,
> >>>>>>>>>> then right beneath your eyes,
> >>>>>>>>>> as it were,
> >>>>>>>>>> before you're aware,
> >>>>>>>>>> transforming,
> >>>>>>>>>> through dent of odd
> >>>>>>>>>> placement
> >>>>>>>>>> or line
> >>>>>>>>>> turn,
> >>>>>>>>>> into mood-changers,
> >>>>>>>>>> joy-inspirers,
> >>>>>>>>>> perception-inverters,
> >>>>>>>>>> propellers
> >>>>>>>>>> into uncanny mind zones?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> bw
> >>>>>>>>>> 22 .7.15
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences, other ideas, people of the poetryetc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Douglas Barbour
> >>>>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations &
> Continuation 2
> >>>>> (UofAPress).
> >>>>> Recording Dates (Rubicon Press).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Done in by creation itself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I mean the gods. Not us. Well us too.
> >>>>> The gods moved into books. Who wrote the books?
> >>>>> We wrote the books. In whose dream, then are we dreaming?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Robert Kroetsch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Douglas Barbour
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >>
> >> Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations &
> Continuation 2 (UofAPress).
> >> Recording Dates (Rubicon Press).
> >>
> >> Done in by creation itself.
> >>
> >> I mean the gods. Not us. Well us too.
> >> The gods moved into books. Who wrote the books?
> >> We wrote the books. In whose dream, then are we dreaming?
> >>
> >> Robert Kroetsch.
> >>
>
> Douglas Barbour
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations & Continuation 2
> (UofAPress).
> Recording Dates (Rubicon Press).
>
> Done in by creation itself.
>
> I mean the gods. Not us. Well us too.
> The gods moved into books. Who wrote the books?
> We wrote the books. In whose dream, then are we dreaming?
>
> Robert Kroetsch.
>
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