I'm also skepters of the assertio made by that journo. But I mean, at the end of the day it needs tested, dunnit? And of all things, it shouldn't be that difficult to test, if not prove/disprove, by comparing the right corpo. Maybe Cara Williams did this.
As a nominal, although both sound bad to this middle-aged American, a difference seems to arise between "this preggo" -- shocking but admissible -- and "this preggers" -- ludicrous and impossible (pending hearing it for the first time, of course).
> On 8 May 2015, at 07:00, Adam Schembri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Well this takes it back to my original point: I don’t buy that most of the
> examples in the BBC article were colloquialisms that Australian English
> has ‘given the world’ - thanks Dan!
> Adam
>
> On 8/05/2015 15:57, "Daniel Ezra Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Just saw a Facebook friend (NYC area, early 30s) use "this prego" to
>> refer to herself. I'd like to know if y'all Australians can do that!
>>
>>> On 8 May 2015, at 04:21, Adam Schembri <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Miriam & Claire,
>>> Yes, I’ve had ‘preggo’ confirmed by my (younger) Melbourne colleagues.
>>> I’d
>>> never heard it before I lived here, but then again I’d never heard the
>>> delightful ’Sydders’ for Sydney until I moved to Melbourne either (or
>>> ‘Melbz’).
>>> At least one online source I’ve found notes the two meanings for ‘garbo’
>>> too: http://www.slang-dictionary.org/Australian-Slang/Garbo
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Schembers.
>>>
>>>> On 8/05/2015 13:12, "Miriam Meyerhoff" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You may be showing your age, or your remoteness from Australian English
>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>>> Try googling “preggo aussie english” but maybe not on your work
>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>> chrz, mm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/05/2015, at 11:42, Claire Bowern <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for this Aussie. Garbo is only the person (short for garbologist
>>>>> :)
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> Prego sounds made up to me, I would day preggers.
>>>>> Claire
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Adam Schembri
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg,
>>>>> Actually, ‘garbo’ can mean ‘garbage collector’ or ‘garbage bin’ (e.g.,
>>>>> ‘the journo on compo hurt himself taking out the garbo’ = the
>>>>> journalist
>>>>> on worker’s compensation hurt himself taking out the garbage).
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Uri Horesh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Date: Friday, 8 May 2015 06:08
>>>>> To: Variationist List <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie
>>>>>
>>>>> American students regularly refer to “organic chemistry” as “orgo” in
>>>>> their speech (usually not very favorably), and you see “convo” for
>>>>> “conversation” in Internet Written English, but I’m not sure how
>>>>> common
>>>>> it is in any spoken variety of English.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2¢,
>>>>> Uri
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Peter Trudgill <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 15:01
>>>>> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie
>>>>>
>>>>> “Uni" is a relatively recent arrival (from Oz?) in GB - no one said it
>>>>> 20 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> The -o ending is certainly much more common in Oz than here, and but
>>>>> it
>>>>> is common enough in naming in Britain, or at least in England, whence
>>>>> it
>>>>> surely came. When I was at school, there were boys who were known as,
>>>>> e.g., Johnno, Fatso, Arbo [Herbert] - so I think “more widely taken
>>>>> up”
>>>>> is right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 May 2015, at 19:49, Gregory R Guy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And let's not forget Aussie 'garbo', for garbageman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Patrick, Peter L
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> I should’ve said, I do find the productive chopping-plus–o items sound
>>>>> distinctive to my ear and are mostly not used much in the UK as far
>>>>> as I
>>>>> can tell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That means things like “reffo” etc, where there is no way to derive
>>>>> the
>>>>> –o just by reduction, mostly sound Australian to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Demo”, which is a simple reduction, I find much less convincing –
>>>>> it’s
>>>>> certainly common in the UK and could happen anywhere, just happens to
>>>>> end in –o.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple choppings like “perv” and “uni” are also common here and I
>>>>> doubt
>>>>> they are imported as there’s no need – though you might import
>>>>>
>>>>> things that have something culturally distinct or attractive, it’s
>>>>> probably not possible to show that workaday choppings aren’t locally
>>>>>
>>>>> generated, and finding them first in print somewhere doesn’t seem esp
>>>>> convincing as to origin if the full wordform is ubiquitous.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> “Muso” fits the chopping-plus–o pattern, yet apparently has been in
>>>>> wide use here since early 1970s at least (days of Yes, Genesis etc) –
>>>>> if
>>>>> that is true,
>>>>>
>>>>> then maybe there is a productive –o process in the UK as well and it
>>>>> has simply been more widely taken up in Oz. Then each –o item would
>>>>> have
>>>>> to be
>>>>>
>>>>> assessed on its own legs, not just being likely to be Aussie because
>>>>> it
>>>>> is an –o item.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The –ie endings are extremely common in the UK, though, and don’t seem
>>>>> imported. Granted, some things they are applied to are not common –
>>>>> hence
>>>>>
>>>>> “barbie, surfie” – but that is not a function of the process itself.
>>>>> You could claim “barbie” to be Australian, but it wouldn’t advance the
>>>>> cause of any other –ie words,
>>>>>
>>>>> which would need their own case made item by item. Among other things,
>>>>> -ie is obsessively applied by football players to each other’s names
>>>>>
>>>>> whenever possible as a marker of vernacular solidarity for those on
>>>>> the
>>>>> UK scene; it’s probably easier & more fun to formulate when it can NOT
>>>>> be used than when it can.
>>>>>
>>>>> (There’s a new column for you, Peter T! if you run out of subjects…)
>>>>> (So “Giggsy” “Smitty” etc ad nauseam, but not “Messi-ie” or
>>>>> “Rooney-ie”,
>>>>> obviously, or anything to do
>>>>>
>>>>> w/Cristiano Ronaldo because nobody can stand him; the other option is
>>>>> adding “-s/-z” as “Becks”, “Lamps”, “-zie” as in “Sears-y”, “Babb-sy”,
>>>>> or less commonly radical
>>>>>
>>>>> chopping plus “-za”, as in “Gazza” “Wazza” and probably by now
>>>>> “Hazza”. This stuff even happens to some not-very-Anglo-looking names
>>>>> but only if ensconced on UK football scene.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This vernacular/solidarity meaning, though common for diminutives as
>>>>> noted, runs directly against the cultural logic that I speculated was
>>>>> behind this over-Ozzing of the pudding.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -p-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Variationist List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Gregory R Guy
>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2015 16:14
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skype's name is too similar to Sky's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, as an American who lived in Oz for five years, I find a lot of
>>>>> these examples to be quite convincing. Granted I have little UK
>>>>> experience, but the super-productive use of -ie and -o suffixes really
>>>>> caught my ear: Aussie, barbie, sunnie, surfie (viz. USA surfer), refo,
>>>>> arvo, etc. The point, as I saw it, of such affixes was not
>>>>> 'informality' but in most cases shortening.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Adam Schembri
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, while we’re on the topic of the BBC website, Dave, I don’t
>>>>> really
>>>>> buy this:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.test.bbc.com/culture/story/20150427-pervs-greenies-and-ratba
>>>>> gs
>>>>>
>>>>> As an Australian who lived in London for nearly five years, it’s quite
>>>>> clear where we Australians got ‘mate’ and ‘bloody’ from. I don’t buy
>>>>> that
>>>>> some of the others are Australian: ‘selfie’ may have first been
>>>>> recorded
>>>>> in Australia, but I suspect it was created independently in multiple
>>>>> parts
>>>>> of the English speaking world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Assoc. Prof. Adam Schembri, PhD
>>>>> https://latrobe.academia.edu/AdamSchembri
>>>>> Department of Languages & Linguistics | School of Humanities and
>>>>> Social
>>>>> Sciences | College of Arts, Social Sciences and Commerce | La Trobe
>>>>> University | Melbourne (Bundoora) | Victoria | 3086 | Australia
>>>>> |Tel :
>>>>> +61 3 9479 2887 | Twitter: @AdamCSchembri | Director, Centre for
>>>>> Research
>>>>> on Language Diversity http://www.latrobe.edu.au/crld & Linguistics
>>>>> Discipline Research Program| Sign Language Linguistics Society:
>>>>> http://www.slls.eu <http://www.slls.eu/> | ALLY Network Member
>>>>> supporting
>>>>> GLBTIQ students and staff: www.latrobe.edu.au/equality/ally
>>>>> http://www.latrobe.edu.au/equality/ally
>>>>>
>>>>> New book available ’Sociolinguistics and Deaf communities’: http://
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.cambridge.org/9781107663862>www.cambridge.org/9781107663862
>>>>> <http://www.cambridge.org/9781107663862>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/05/2015 20:41, "Dave Sayers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought this might tickle VAR-Lers:
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32593735
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dr. Dave Sayers
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer, Dept Humanities, Sheffield Hallam University
>>>>>> Honorary Research Fellow, Arts & Humanities, Swansea University
>>>>>> (2009-2015)
>>>>>> [log in to unmask] | http://shu.academia.edu/DaveSayers
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ######################################################################
>>>>>> ##
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist
>>>>>> sociolinguistics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> #######################################################################
>>>>> #
>>>>>
>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Gregory R. Guy
>>>>> Department of Linguistics
>>>>> New York University
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is only through an analysis of variation that the reality and
>>>>> meaning of a norm can be established at all." -Edward Sapir, 1938
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gregory R. Guy
>>>>> Department of Linguistics
>>>>> New York University
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is only through an analysis of variation that the reality and
>>>>> meaning of a norm can be established at all." -Edward Sapir, 1938
>>>>>
>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ########################################################################
>>>>
>>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>>> variationist
>>>> sociolinguistics.
>>>>
>>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>>>
>>>
>>> ########################################################################
>>>
>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to
>>> variationist sociolinguistics.
>>>
>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
>
>
> ########################################################################
>
> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist sociolinguistics.
>
> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
> [log in to unmask]
>
> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
########################################################################
The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist sociolinguistics.
To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to:
[log in to unmask]
To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link:
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1
|