It's all right! I didn't take offence. & as I said it was partly my fault
for not calling the poem "there are some nasty things under the ground,
just like in horror movies"

glad you like it though

I reflected briefly last night on related matters when someone moaned about
a short flight of steps at the end of a corridor on the way to the "recital
room" where I performed - Goldsmiths. The reason is that the building was
not preceded by an abolition of the Earth's surface as is the tendency now
often. I think where we were was an extension after the original building
and the planet was the wrong shape.

I'm sure that's related to tunnels somehow

best

L











On 29 May 2015 at 22:46, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I was going to say that, living in Edmonton AB, which likes to tear down
> anything older than 20 years or so, that that might be a reason I had some
> problems. But then I remembered that back at the end of the 19th century,
> there were mine tunnels under what is now the ‘modern’ city here, too.
>
> Anyway, the poem still does the job…
>
> Doug
> On May 29, 2015, at 5:40 AM, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Not unlike. Just built on in S W London.
> > Went down to Worcester Pk on a bus the other day. Looking out of the bus
> > window, I had not known death etc....
> > Spent some time with my friend Richard recently - he with whom I have
> > endeavoured to write of Australian landscape
> > He lives in a small place on the coast, a few islands and then the next
> > stop is the Antartic; and he was finding it quite difficult to cope with
> > the idiocy of the London electorate when it tries to walk. I was crossing
> > Exhibition Road with him (god knows why but he wanted to be there) and a
> > woman walked open eyed towards us as we reached the V & A side pavement,
> > then turned round to speak to someone behind her, still walking, crashed
> > into him and then just stared blankly, like an insect that one has sought
> > to kill but only maimed - or like perhaps the robots I heard about
> > yesterday on the BBC (the Tories haven't killed it yet) Radio 4 -
> designed
> > to prioritise rescue, they do not know when they are injured but infer it
> > and keep experimenting with different means of locomotion till they find
> > something that works... If they don't find a way I suppose they just roll
> > around, limbs flailing, till their batteries run down
> >
> > I was in Pembrokeshire a few days ago; and was struck how even in
> Pembroke
> > and the like this did not happen. I was considering the possibility of
> > raacial difference, but of course it's just that there aren't so many of
> > them; it isn't so crowded
> >
> > There are lots of tunnels in London and since 2010 the indigines of those
> > holes have taken heart. One day, they believe, all of southern england
> will
> > be theirs; and unlit
> >
> > L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 May 2015 at 10:20, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Lawrence this sounds like the hinterland between Raynes Park and
> >> Sutton-Piskies malign spirits all that crowd cheers P very old spirit
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton
> >> Sent: 29 May 2015 09:19
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: Snap: Pendeen
> >>
> >> It's poorly titled.
> >> Nothing to do with the lighthouse.
> >> The place of the lighthouse gives its name to the hinterland and so to
> the
> >> 19th century town built there.
> >> Before that, there were a number of villages - Portherras Cross and
> >> Boscaswell -- now parts of Pendeen. Then there was Pendeen House and its
> >> surrounding estate, still separate. But with the development and spread
> of
> >> mines, where mine buildings were not, mine workers houses were.
> >> I'm thinking here of what is under the ground - the tunnelling...
> >> spirits... not just Piskies which are *relatively benign but older ideas
> >> which are from human point of view malign.
> >> Until recently, on the hills around. all close, there were open shafts
> and
> >> adits; and they are being capped now -- mine companies just pullled out,
> >> leaving their mess and danger Subsequent to first writing I have placed
> >> poems on the map. This one was originally called "towards Pendeen" but
> that
> >> could mean anything if you don't know where I am walking from. That
> project
> >> wasn't working, but I left the remnants of the title as a trap for the
> >> reader to fall in Better I had left it untitled or some such I shall
> cap it
> >> now
> >>
> >> best
> >>
> >> L
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26 May 2015 at 21:18, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> feels vague & specific all at once, L. the language the latter for
> >>> sure; but I m not sure how it relates to Pendeen (if the lighthouse)?
> >>>
> >>> so i like the rhythm of it, the moves,,,
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>> On May 26, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> they knock
> >>>>
> >>>> one to each
> >>>>
> >>>> under ground
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> below even dead soil
> >>>>
> >>>> in something else
> >>>>
> >>>> among heats
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> they bring
> >>>>
> >>>> light
> >>>>
> >>>> such as there is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> and it sways
> >>>>
> >>>> and it makes them shadows
> >>>>
> >>>> and it fades
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I hear them
> >>>>
> >>>> trafficking
> >>>>
> >>>> far
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> under foot
> >>>>
> >>>> further than
> >>>>
> >>>> sky's clarity
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> between
> >>>>
> >>>> the starry
> >>>>
> >>>> glimmering
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> they seek
> >>>>
> >>>> if only to
> >>>>
> >>>> abandon
> >>>
> >>> Douglas Barbour
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>
> >>> Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations &
> >>> Continuation 2 (UofAPress).
> >>> Recording Dates (Rubicon Press).
> >>>
> >>> There is no life that does not rise
> >>> melodic from scales of the marvelous.
> >>>
> >>> To which our grief refers.
> >>>
> >>>              Robert Duncan.
> >>>
> >>
>
> Douglas Barbour
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations & Continuation 2
> (UofAPress).
> Recording Dates (Rubicon Press).
>
> There is no life that does not rise
> melodic from scales of the marvelous.
>
> To which our grief refers.
>
>               Robert Duncan.
>