Well this takes it back to my original point: I don’t buy that most of the
examples in the BBC article were colloquialisms that Australian English
has ‘given the world’ - thanks Dan!
Adam
On 8/05/2015 15:57, "Daniel Ezra Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>Just saw a Facebook friend (NYC area, early 30s) use "this prego" to
>refer to herself. I'd like to know if y'all Australians can do that!
>
>> On 8 May 2015, at 04:21, Adam Schembri <[log in to unmask]>
>>wrote:
>>
>> Miriam & Claire,
>> Yes, I’ve had ‘preggo’ confirmed by my (younger) Melbourne colleagues.
>>I’d
>> never heard it before I lived here, but then again I’d never heard the
>> delightful ’Sydders’ for Sydney until I moved to Melbourne either (or
>> ‘Melbz’).
>> At least one online source I’ve found notes the two meanings for ‘garbo’
>> too: http://www.slang-dictionary.org/Australian-Slang/Garbo
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Schembers.
>>
>>> On 8/05/2015 13:12, "Miriam Meyerhoff" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>> You may be showing your age, or your remoteness from Australian English
>>> these days.
>>>
>>> Try googling “preggo aussie english” but maybe not on your work
>>>computer.
>>>
>>> chrz, mm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/05/2015, at 11:42, Claire Bowern <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not for this Aussie. Garbo is only the person (short for garbologist
>>>>:)
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>> Prego sounds made up to me, I would day preggers.
>>>> Claire
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Adam Schembri
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greg,
>>>> Actually, ‘garbo’ can mean ‘garbage collector’ or ‘garbage bin’ (e.g.,
>>>> ‘the journo on compo hurt himself taking out the garbo’ = the
>>>>journalist
>>>> on worker’s compensation hurt himself taking out the garbage).
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> From: Uri Horesh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: Friday, 8 May 2015 06:08
>>>> To: Variationist List <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie
>>>>
>>>> American students regularly refer to “organic chemistry” as “orgo” in
>>>> their speech (usually not very favorably), and you see “convo” for
>>>> “conversation” in Internet Written English, but I’m not sure how
>>>>common
>>>> it is in any spoken variety of English.
>>>>
>>>> My 2¢,
>>>> Uri
>>>>
>>>> From: Peter Trudgill <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 15:01
>>>> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie
>>>>
>>>> “Uni" is a relatively recent arrival (from Oz?) in GB - no one said it
>>>> 20 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> The -o ending is certainly much more common in Oz than here, and but
>>>>it
>>>> is common enough in naming in Britain, or at least in England, whence
>>>>it
>>>> surely came. When I was at school, there were boys who were known as,
>>>> e.g., Johnno, Fatso, Arbo [Herbert] - so I think “more widely taken
>>>>up”
>>>> is right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 May 2015, at 19:49, Gregory R Guy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And let's not forget Aussie 'garbo', for garbageman.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Patrick, Peter L
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> I should’ve said, I do find the productive chopping-plus–o items sound
>>>> distinctive to my ear and are mostly not used much in the UK as far
>>>>as I
>>>> can tell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That means things like “reffo” etc, where there is no way to derive
>>>>the
>>>> –o just by reduction, mostly sound Australian to me.
>>>>
>>>> “Demo”, which is a simple reduction, I find much less convincing –
>>>>it’s
>>>> certainly common in the UK and could happen anywhere, just happens to
>>>> end in –o.
>>>>
>>>> Simple choppings like “perv” and “uni” are also common here and I
>>>>doubt
>>>> they are imported as there’s no need – though you might import
>>>>
>>>> things that have something culturally distinct or attractive, it’s
>>>> probably not possible to show that workaday choppings aren’t locally
>>>>
>>>> generated, and finding them first in print somewhere doesn’t seem esp
>>>> convincing as to origin if the full wordform is ubiquitous.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Muso” fits the chopping-plus–o pattern, yet apparently has been in
>>>> wide use here since early 1970s at least (days of Yes, Genesis etc) –
>>>>if
>>>> that is true,
>>>>
>>>> then maybe there is a productive –o process in the UK as well and it
>>>> has simply been more widely taken up in Oz. Then each –o item would
>>>>have
>>>> to be
>>>>
>>>> assessed on its own legs, not just being likely to be Aussie because
>>>>it
>>>> is an –o item.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The –ie endings are extremely common in the UK, though, and don’t seem
>>>> imported. Granted, some things they are applied to are not common –
>>>>hence
>>>>
>>>> “barbie, surfie” – but that is not a function of the process itself.
>>>> You could claim “barbie” to be Australian, but it wouldn’t advance the
>>>> cause of any other –ie words,
>>>>
>>>> which would need their own case made item by item. Among other things,
>>>> -ie is obsessively applied by football players to each other’s names
>>>>
>>>> whenever possible as a marker of vernacular solidarity for those on
>>>>the
>>>> UK scene; it’s probably easier & more fun to formulate when it can NOT
>>>> be used than when it can.
>>>>
>>>> (There’s a new column for you, Peter T! if you run out of subjects…)
>>>> (So “Giggsy” “Smitty” etc ad nauseam, but not “Messi-ie” or
>>>>“Rooney-ie”,
>>>> obviously, or anything to do
>>>>
>>>> w/Cristiano Ronaldo because nobody can stand him; the other option is
>>>> adding “-s/-z” as “Becks”, “Lamps”, “-zie” as in “Sears-y”, “Babb-sy”,
>>>> or less commonly radical
>>>>
>>>> chopping plus “-za”, as in “Gazza” “Wazza” and probably by now
>>>> “Hazza”. This stuff even happens to some not-very-Anglo-looking names
>>>> but only if ensconced on UK football scene.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This vernacular/solidarity meaning, though common for diminutives as
>>>> noted, runs directly against the cultural logic that I speculated was
>>>> behind this over-Ozzing of the pudding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -p-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Variationist List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>> Gregory R Guy
>>>> Sent: 06 May 2015 16:14
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skype's name is too similar to Sky's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, as an American who lived in Oz for five years, I find a lot of
>>>> these examples to be quite convincing. Granted I have little UK
>>>> experience, but the super-productive use of -ie and -o suffixes really
>>>> caught my ear: Aussie, barbie, sunnie, surfie (viz. USA surfer), refo,
>>>> arvo, etc. The point, as I saw it, of such affixes was not
>>>> 'informality' but in most cases shortening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Adam Schembri
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, while we’re on the topic of the BBC website, Dave, I don’t
>>>>really
>>>> buy this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.test.bbc.com/culture/story/20150427-pervs-greenies-and-ratba
>>>>gs
>>>>
>>>> As an Australian who lived in London for nearly five years, it’s quite
>>>> clear where we Australians got ‘mate’ and ‘bloody’ from. I don’t buy
>>>> that
>>>> some of the others are Australian: ‘selfie’ may have first been
>>>>recorded
>>>> in Australia, but I suspect it was created independently in multiple
>>>> parts
>>>> of the English speaking world.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>> On 6/05/2015 20:41, "Dave Sayers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought this might tickle VAR-Lers:
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32593735
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
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