Hi Michelle,
I had a similar problem. I argued that it's a question of priorities.
Patient safety vs information governance. To use a non connected meter
has considerable issues for patient safety I would say! I think the
risk of having a breach of security vs a patient safety issue with a
meter without patient demographics is much lower. Not having patient
demographics is a known risk too as opposed to a hypothetical risk of
someone wanting to crack into the system. In addition not much
information is stored either. Patient Id is stored with the result,
sure enough, but it would be just as easy to stake out the clinic and
get peoples details that way.
We also have ISO standards, MHRA and RCP guidance that say we should
be storing this information with the patient result. I think these
should be respected as carrying some authority to your argument.
Hopefully common sense will prevail and you will be able to show them
where the balance of risk lies.
David
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> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:53:55 +0100
> From: Michelle Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Information Governance
>
> Hi All
>
> A quick query, are any other Trusts experiencing issues with their IG departments with regards to the storage of patient information and results on POCT devices? Our IG department is trying to oppose the use of CoaguChek XS Pros for the running of our anticoagulant service as it is not enough that Roche guarantee that the devices require username and password access and a member of public cannot download the information from these devices.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated as we have to go live with these devices in 2 weeks time or we risk having no anticoagulant service for 7000+ patients.
>
> Many thanks
> Michelle
> BTHFT
>
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> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:16:21 +0000
> From: Sharon Roberts <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Information Governance
>
> Hi Michelle
>
> I had issues with IT before implementing the Inform meters. Put IT security guy at the time even took one of the meters and tried to hack into it. We only use the hospital number as the patient ID rather having the patient name displayed. This seems to satisfy our IG team.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Sharon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 28 Apr 2015, at 09:57, Michelle Bennett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Hi All
>>
>> A quick query, are any other Trusts experiencing issues with their IG departments with regards to the storage of patient information and results on POCT devices? Our IG department is trying to oppose the use of CoaguChek XS Pros for the running of our anticoagulant service as it is not enough that Roche guarantee that the devices require username and password access and a member of public cannot download the information from these devices.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated as we have to go live with these devices in 2 weeks time or we risk having no anticoagulant service for 7000+ patients.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Michelle
>> BTHFT
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> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 12:45:51 +0100
> From: "Whitehurst Jackie (RW6) PAHNT" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hand-held blood gas analysers
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> We had EPOCs but swapped back to the OPTI-CC TS analysers as these were
> more reliable (and the nurses preferred them).
> Una Health supply these for us.
>
> Regards
>
> Jackie.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ACB Point-of-Care Testing [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
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> Sent: 23 April 2015 16:00
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> Subject: Hand-held blood gas analysers
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> As a relatively new member of the POC community can I ask about
> hand-held blood gas analysers? Our trust respiratory team are asking
> for mobile devices. I stat seems to be the market leader, there is also
> an Alere EPOC device, does anyone know of any others or have feedback -
> positive or negative? Thanks.
>
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> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:28:07 +0000
> From: Sharon Roberts <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hand-held blood gas analysers
>
> I am looking at alternatives to the standard gas analysers for a unit that has a relatively low activity. I have looked at the IStat but am interested how others perform with regards to EQA ease of use etc.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Sharon Roberts
> POCT Co-ordinator
> St Helens & Knowsley Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 28 Apr 2015, at 12:50, Whitehurst Jackie (RW6) PAHNT <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> We had EPOCs but swapped back to the OPTI-CC TS analysers as these were
>> more reliable (and the nurses preferred them).
>> Una Health supply these for us.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jackie.
>>
>> POCT Manager
>> Pennine Acute NHS Trust
>> 0161 656 1357 (Internal 71357)
>>
>> To provide the very best care for each patient on every occasion"
>> Quality-Driven
>> Responsible
>> Compassionate
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ACB Point-of-Care Testing [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Alexandra Clubley
>> Sent: 23 April 2015 16:00
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Hand-held blood gas analysers
>>
>> As a relatively new member of the POC community can I ask about
>> hand-held blood gas analysers? Our trust respiratory team are asking
>> for mobile devices. I stat seems to be the market leader, there is also
>> an Alere EPOC device, does anyone know of any others or have feedback -
>> positive or negative? Thanks.
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:08:13 +0000
> From: "Bennett Michelle (BFWH)" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Information Governance
>
> Thanks Sharon.
>
> We have approached this response (using NHS number only), and they are still not happy. Hopefully we will get a response soon that they might approve the devices.
>
> Thanks
> Michelle
>
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> From: ACB Point-of-Care Testing [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sharon Roberts
> Sent: 28 April 2015 10:16
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Information Governance
>
> Hi Michelle
>
> I had issues with IT before implementing the Inform meters. Put IT security guy at the time even took one of the meters and tried to hack into it. We only use the hospital number as the patient ID rather having the patient name displayed. This seems to satisfy our IG team.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Sharon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Apr 2015, at 09:57, Michelle Bennett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> A quick query, are any other Trusts experiencing issues with their IG departments with regards to the storage of patient information and results on POCT devices? Our IG department is trying to oppose the use of CoaguChek XS Pros for the running of our anticoagulant service as it is not enough that Roche guarantee that the devices require username and password access and a member of public cannot download the information from these devices.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated as we have to go live with these devices in 2 weeks time or we risk having no anticoagulant service for 7000+ patients.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Michelle
>> BTHFT
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