Don't worry. My long term economic plan is good, better than Gideon
Osborne's. We shall all be rich. L
On 18 March 2015 at 10:59, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Strewth that's more than a florin!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Burke
> Sent: 18 March 2015 10:26
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Gide on sincerity
>
> Bargain, Tim, a bargain.
>
> Speaking of bargains, take a look at http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> *Bargain*Bargain*
>
> Andrew
>
> On 18 March 2015 at 21:18, Tim Allen <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > By all means Lawrence. That 'll be two n sixpunce.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > On 18 Mar 2015, at 10:07, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> >
> > > Tim
> > > Do you mind if I quote you
> > > The multiplicity of voices and tricks of utterance that are involved
> > > in poetry Nice and direct and simple Proper citation and all if it
> > > sees the light of day
> > >
> > > L
> > >
> > > On 16 March 2015 at 15:51, Tim Allen <
> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Can't let this pass. 'Slippery fish' sincerity certainly is,
> > >> especially when used in the same sentence with 'true facts'.
> > >>
> > >> I wanted to come in on this when Bill said that thing about a word
> > >> must never precede an idea, something which is not just problematic
> > >> but
> > probably
> > >> impossible- but I never because it gets into that tricky realm of
> > whether
> > >> ideas are always made of words and if not what? pictures, feelings
> > >> etc - but then when pictures or feelings get transferred into ideas
> > >> don't
> > words
> > >> get involved? - don't go there, it's a swamp. So I didn't. I know
> > >> that
> > if I
> > >> sat around waiting for an 'idea' before writing a poem I might have
> > written
> > >> about 20 poems in my life instead of 2000 etc - mind you, they
> > >> might be
> > 20
> > >> very long poems.
> > >>
> > >> Seriously though, sincerity is a real sod to talk about in relation
> > >> to poetry. The multiplicity of voices and tricks of utterance that
> > >> are involved in poetry (never mind the variety of functions that
> > >> poetry can
> > >> perform) make the normal meaning of sincerity meaningless, and that
> > >> includes the kind of sincerity that Andrew seems to be referring to.
> > >>
> > >> Sincerity in poetry is something else, something that has nothing
> > >> to do with 'true facts', whatever they are.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> Tim A.
> > >>
> > >> On 16 Mar 2015, at 05:06, Andrew Burke wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Oh what a slippery fish sincerity is when speaking of creativity.
> > >>> For
> > my
> > >>> practice, the 'true facts' are my basic sincerity, as I see them
> > >>> or remember them, written in plain language
> > >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew
> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> 'Undercover of Lightness'
> http://walleahpress.com.au/recent-publications.html
> 'Shikibu Shuffle'
>
> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/new-from-aboveground-press-s
> hikibu.html
>
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