Good morning guys ;)
An opinion from newcomer - like all of you , I am sure, I don't have much time with already a myriad of working emails to answer . So to spend time scrolling and scrolling through stuff which I am not interested to find the information that is relevant to me, is a pain
Jo maybe you could put a banner in the beginning, together with the subjects lines , explaining that replying to the message will get to all the list , and that unless it is relevant group if people could restrain from personal messages? That way you can be sure that everyone will see it. This is a great maillist but has the risk of becoming more a box of spam mail than an extremely relevant tool like it is now
Best
Catarina
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 07:46:40 -0000
From: Ben Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
Brian, your delight in another person’s misfortune is quite unpalatable and totally misplaced in this community
Both you and I have made the same mistake – better to let it pass by and be forgotten
Ben Johnson
Graphic Science
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do you really need to print this email?
From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Gamble
Sent: 13 January 2015 17:22
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Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
Don't worry, none of us will beathe aword! Hope u dint burn tea!
From: "Leeder, Poppy" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 January 2015, 16:52
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
Hi Kate,
I’m in the process of seeking a voluntary redundancy from NERC (pls keep this confidential for now) and looking round for other roles in PE – this one would be really interesting, but I don’t want to waste anyone’s time. Do you know if there are any restrictions on it (eg if I am successful at getting a voluntary redundancy I will not be able to work for a public sector organisation for 6 months from the departure date from NERC without having to pay back some of the redundancy payment – is this core uni money that is paying for the role do you know?
Would the job holder be expected to work all of the 0.6FTE in Bristol – ie is there an opportunity to work from home one day a week at all?
Sorry for brevity – got to leave work now and race home to make tea before being out at meetings tonight!
Thanks
Poppy
Poppy Leeder | Public Engagement Manager | Natural Environment Research Council
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From: Kate Miller [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 12 January 2015 17:21
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Subject: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
2015 is clearly bringing a lot of engagement jobs to the surface and we're only a couple of weeks in! Here's another one to add to the mix...
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The Elizabeth Blackwell Institute (EBI) at the University of Bristol is looking for a Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences to join us in delivering our public engagement strategy and activities. In this role, you will coordinate and service the Public Advisory Group, maintain relationships with internal and external stakeholders, and work with academics on developing their public engagement activities. You will also be responsible for delivering a series of engagement activities including a collaborative project on performance arts and pain, and a community-led peer engagement project focusing on cutting-edge research at Bristol.
This role is key to ensuring that the work of the EBI is shared with society and that there is an ongoing dialogue with relevant stakeholders. If you have experience of working with in public engagement, working with steering/advisory groups, and have proven project and event management expertise, we look forward to hearing from you.
For further information about the role and to apply, go to: http://bit.ly/1FlQQoL or search for SUPP101278 at http://www.bristol.ac.uk/jobs/find/.
Job type: 2 years fixed term, part time (0.6 FTE)
Salary: £31,342 - £35,256 per annum pro rata
Closing date: 25th January
For an informal discussion about the role please contact Kate Miller ([log in to unmask]).
Dr Kate Miller
Academic Liaison Officer
Centre for Public Engagement
University of Bristol
Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS
Tel: 0117 3318321
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:47:04 +0000
From: Francis Sedgemore <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
What Ben said. It's a bit churlish/schadenfreudliche, but tempting given the number of posts to this list which are clearly intended as personal replies.
People should take more care when using email in a professional capacity, but there is surely a technical solution, or at least a way of minimising the occurrence of this embarrassing error. I am thinking in particular of a list configuration in which hitting the reply button addresses the reply to the individual who sent the post being replied to, rather than the list itself. Perhaps the list owner could look into this.
Francis
> On 14 Jan 15, at 07:46, Ben Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Brian, your delight in another person’s misfortune is quite unpalatable and totally misplaced in this community
>
> Both you and I have made the same mistake – better to let it pass by and be forgotten
>
>
> Ben Johnson
> Graphic Science
> Part of The Training Group - Supporting public engagement in the research community
> ( +44 (0) 1275 47 44 44
> È +44 (0) 7521 690 724
> [log in to unmask]
> : www.graphicscience.co.uk
> Disclaimer: The author of this email never meant a word of it.
> do you really need to print this email?
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:18:19 +0000
From: Ian Simmons <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
It ought to be possible to make 'reply' go to the author and 'reply all' go to the list I would have thought
IAN
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From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francis Sedgemore
Sent: 14 January 2015 09:47
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
What Ben said. It's a bit churlish/schadenfreudliche, but tempting given the number of posts to this list which are clearly intended as personal replies.
People should take more care when using email in a professional capacity, but there is surely a technical solution, or at least a way of minimising the occurrence of this embarrassing error. I am thinking in particular of a list configuration in which hitting the reply button addresses the reply to the individual who sent the post being replied to, rather than the list itself. Perhaps the list owner could look into this.
Francis
> On 14 Jan 15, at 07:46, Ben Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Brian, your delight in another person’s misfortune is quite
> unpalatable and totally misplaced in this community
>
> Both you and I have made the same mistake – better to let it pass by
> and be forgotten
>
>
> Ben Johnson
> Graphic Science
> Part of The Training Group - Supporting public engagement in the
> research community ( +44 (0) 1275 47 44 44 È +44 (0) 7521 690 724 ›
> [log in to unmask]
> : www.graphicscience.co.uk
> Disclaimer: The author of this email never meant a word of it.
> do you really need to print this email?
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:47:56 +0000
From: Nelly Brewer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
I thought Brian was being genuine and personally would have found his
message reassuring if it happened to me, but I'm new to the list so maybe
I'm missing something!!
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Ian Simmons <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> It ought to be possible to make 'reply' go to the author and 'reply all'
> go to the list I would have thought
>
> IAN
>
>
>
> Ian Simmons
> Science Communication Director
> Centre for Life
> Management Suite
> Times Square
> Newcastle upon Tyne
> NE1 4EP
>
> Tel: +44191 2438250
> Fax: +44191 2438201
> Email: [log in to unmask]
>
> BODY WORLDS Vital <http://www.life.org.uk/whats-on/body-worlds>, the
> exhibition of real human bodies, is now at Life until 4 January 2015 - due
> to public demand.
> Skating@Life <http://www.life.org.uk/whats-on/skatinglife> is here on
> Times Square until 22 February 2015, and the stunning Wildlife Photographer
> of the Year exhibition <
> http://www.life.org.uk/whats-on/wildlife-photographer-of-the-year-2014>
> is at Life from 10 January - 19 April 2015.
>
> Don’t miss Maker Faire UK <
> http://www.life.org.uk/whats-on/maker-faire-uk-2015> which returns to
> Life on 25 and 26 April 2015, and our blockbuster summer exhibition Game On
> 2.0 <http://www.life.org.uk/whats-on/game-on> which opens on 23 May 2015.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francis Sedgemore
> Sent: 14 January 2015 09:47
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health
> Sciences, Bristol
>
> What Ben said. It's a bit churlish/schadenfreudliche, but tempting given
> the number of posts to this list which are clearly intended as personal
> replies.
>
> People should take more care when using email in a professional capacity,
> but there is surely a technical solution, or at least a way of minimising
> the occurrence of this embarrassing error. I am thinking in particular of a
> list configuration in which hitting the reply button addresses the reply to
> the individual who sent the post being replied to, rather than the list
> itself. Perhaps the list owner could look into this.
>
> Francis
>
> > On 14 Jan 15, at 07:46, Ben Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Brian, your delight in another person’s misfortune is quite
> > unpalatable and totally misplaced in this community
> >
> > Both you and I have made the same mistake – better to let it pass by
> > and be forgotten
> >
> >
> > Ben Johnson
> > Graphic Science
> > Part of The Training Group - Supporting public engagement in the
> > research community ( +44 (0) 1275 47 44 44 È +44 (0) 7521 690 724 ›
> > [log in to unmask]
> > : www.graphicscience.co.uk
> > Disclaimer: The author of this email never meant a word of it.
> > do you really need to print this email?
>
> --
> Dr Francis Sedgemore
> journalist, writer and recovering physicist
> telephone: +44 7840 191336
> website: sedgemore.com
> twitter: @hesgen
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:26:35 +0000
From: Jo Brodie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Unintended replies-to-all, Was: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
Hello all
I've deleted, from the public archives, the original email (the unintended
reply-to-all) and any replies to it which repeated that text. Other replies
are untouched. This means that anyone who tries to visit the posts via
the Twitter
version of psci-com <https://twitter.com/psci_com> will find themselves at
an error page. If you feel compelled to reply to an earlier version of the
email exchange please edit out unnecessary text, thanks.
The bit below is some list admin info on "replying-to" for those who are
interested, and a little bit on human error in using medical devices.
Best wishes
Jo
(psci-com owner)
*1. What happens when you send an email you wish you hadn't*
Alas... once a message is successfully* posted to the mailing list it is
automatically 'cascaded' to every subscriber. I can delete it from the
public archives but it is not possible to delete emails from your inboxes,
obviously, and so everyone has a copy. Whenever I see a subsequent email to
the list with 'please delete my previous email' in the subject or first
line I just obey and assume others do too.
*you're subscribed with normal posting rights, haven't included an
attachment or triggered the spam filter
*2. What are psci-com settings for replies?*
Our setting is 'reply to list (all)' and the system is set to 'respect' the
choice to 'reply to sender' or 'reply to all' although I find this doesn't
work on Gmail and I'm given just the Reply option. I expect it varies by
mail program.
The under-the-bonnet 'code' is "*Reply-to= list,Respect*" which means "that
replies to postings will be sent to the whole group rather than just to the
sender. However, the 'Respect' part of this line means that if someone
chooses to reply just to the original sender, this will work too." (
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/owners/groupconfiguration.html)
The available options are:
*a) Reply-to options - Reply-to-List / to-Sender / -Both / -None / -Specify*
(first three are probably obvious, 'none' seems quite strict - I suppose
you'd be forced to type in an address, Specify appears to mean that a
default email address is set by me which you could override).
*b) Respect *is either* Respect *or* Ignore *
We've previously been 'Ignore' which didn't allow people to choose so I
changed that, but *not *the reply-to-list default settings mentioned in (a).
*3. What are the best options?*
My feeling has always been that the list should be Reply to Sender as
default, as the safest option. Before I became list owner I asked on the
list about this and I asked again as owner (in 2012
<https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=psci-com;2741fd56.1212>)
for comments (on and off-list). Although quite a few agreed with me plenty
of people felt that it should be reply to list with the addition of the
'respect' thing in place. Because we were already 'reply to list' I didn't
change that and otherwise left things as they have been.
I'm happy to keep revisiting this until you agree with me though ;-)
My work on the CHI+MED project <https://chimedblog.wordpress.com/> (about
making medical devices safer) has me convinced that no amount of reminding
people to check 'reply' vs 'reply all' can ever prevent someone from making
a potentially embarrassing error and that a system should be designed to
minimise the effects of errors. The price for this is that users have to
actively type in psci-com's email address if they want it to go to
everyone. Letting people 'choose' to reply to A or B doesn't really protect
them against picking the wrong one by mistake.
See our '#Errordiary <http://www.errordiary.org/?page_id=6724>'
sub-project, based at UCL, for more information (and research) on human
error, particularly as it applies to medical errors.
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:09:16 +0000
From: Dr Sara Santos <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Unintended replies-to-all, Was: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
Hello Jo and All
My default reaction to posts on the list is to reply to the sender and find that I have to go back to the original email, copy the address (often hidden in a long line in the client I use) and then paste into the field. [I know, poor me, #middleclassproblems.]
So I would be up for the default to be changed to ‘reply to sender’. Are you keen to ask members and gather votes? Or do an experimental period and gather feedback?
On the other hand I do enjoy the conversational tone of the list when people reply to all with short comments that are obviously being made because people know each other. But us all being so fond of being ‘performers’ I am sure we will continue to broadcast to the list comments that could easily be left just to the sender but that we decide to invite the list to that intimacy.
Kind regards
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> On 14 Jan 2015, at 17:26, Jo Brodie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> I've deleted, from the public archives, the original email (the unintended reply-to-all) and any replies to it which repeated that text. Other replies are untouched. This means that anyone who tries to visit the posts via the Twitter version of psci-com <https://twitter.com/psci_com> will find themselves at an error page. If you feel compelled to reply to an earlier version of the email exchange please edit out unnecessary text, thanks.
>
> The bit below is some list admin info on "replying-to" for those who are interested, and a little bit on human error in using medical devices.
>
> Best wishes
> Jo
> (psci-com owner)
>
> 1. What happens when you send an email you wish you hadn't
> Alas... once a message is successfully* posted to the mailing list it is automatically 'cascaded' to every subscriber. I can delete it from the public archives but it is not possible to delete emails from your inboxes, obviously, and so everyone has a copy. Whenever I see a subsequent email to the list with 'please delete my previous email' in the subject or first line I just obey and assume others do too.
>
> *you're subscribed with normal posting rights, haven't included an attachment or triggered the spam filter
>
> 2. What are psci-com settings for replies?
> Our setting is 'reply to list (all)' and the system is set to 'respect' the choice to 'reply to sender' or 'reply to all' although I find this doesn't work on Gmail and I'm given just the Reply option. I expect it varies by mail program.
>
> The under-the-bonnet 'code' is "Reply-to= list,Respect" which means "that replies to postings will be sent to the whole group rather than just to the sender. However, the 'Respect' part of this line means that if someone chooses to reply just to the original sender, this will work too." (http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/owners/groupconfiguration.html <http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/owners/groupconfiguration.html>)
>
> The available options are:
> a) Reply-to options - Reply-to-List / to-Sender / -Both / -None / -Specify
> (first three are probably obvious, 'none' seems quite strict - I suppose you'd be forced to type in an address, Specify appears to mean that a default email address is set by me which you could override).
>
> b) Respect is either Respect or Ignore
> We've previously been 'Ignore' which didn't allow people to choose so I changed that, but not the reply-to-list default settings mentioned in (a).
>
> 3. What are the best options?
> My feeling has always been that the list should be Reply to Sender as default, as the safest option. Before I became list owner I asked on the list about this and I asked again as owner (in 2012 <https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=psci-com;2741fd56.1212>) for comments (on and off-list). Although quite a few agreed with me plenty of people felt that it should be reply to list with the addition of the 'respect' thing in place. Because we were already 'reply to list' I didn't change that and otherwise left things as they have been.
>
> I'm happy to keep revisiting this until you agree with me though ;-)
>
> My work on the CHI+MED project <https://chimedblog.wordpress.com/> (about making medical devices safer) has me convinced that no amount of reminding people to check 'reply' vs 'reply all' can ever prevent someone from making a potentially embarrassing error and that a system should be designed to minimise the effects of errors. The price for this is that users have to actively type in psci-com's email address if they want it to go to everyone. Letting people 'choose' to reply to A or B doesn't really protect them against picking the wrong one by mistake.
>
> See our '#Errordiary <http://www.errordiary.org/?page_id=6724>' sub-project, based at UCL, for more information (and research) on human error, particularly as it applies to medical errors.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:35:38 -0000
From: Michael Kenward <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Unintended replies-to-all, Was: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
Which email client is this? Outlook? Gmail? Something
If it has the option, the next time a message lands, “Reply All”. This may populate the recipient’s address with both the list’s address and that of the original sender. Then you can just delete the one you don't want.
But that is all a “client” thing, which is why I ask.
MK
From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dr Sara Santos
Sent: 14 January 2015 19:09
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Unintended replies-to-all, Was: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job: Public Engagement Associate in Health Sciences, Bristol
Hello Jo and All
My default reaction to posts on the list is to reply to the sender and find that I have to go back to the original email, copy the address (often hidden in a long line in the client I use) and then paste into the field. [I know, poor me, #middleclassproblems.]
So I would be up for the default to be changed to ‘reply to sender’. Are you keen to ask members and gather votes? Or do an experimental period and gather feedback?
On the other hand I do enjoy the conversational tone of the list when people reply to all with short comments that are obviously being made because people know each other. But us all being so fond of being ‘performers’ I am sure we will continue to broadcast to the list comments that could easily be left just to the sender but that we decide to invite the list to that intimacy.
Kind regards
Sara
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On 14 Jan 2015, at 17:26, Jo Brodie <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote:
Hello all
I've deleted, from the public archives, the original email (the unintended reply-to-all) and any replies to it which repeated that text. Other replies are untouched. This means that anyone who tries to visit the posts via the Twitter version of psci-com <https://twitter.com/psci_com> will find themselves at an error page. If you feel compelled to reply to an earlier version of the email exchange please edit out unnecessary text, thanks.
The bit below is some list admin info on "replying-to" for those who are interested, and a little bit on human error in using medical devices.
Best wishes
Jo
(psci-com owner)
1. What happens when you send an email you wish you hadn't
Alas... once a message is successfully* posted to the mailing list it is automatically 'cascaded' to every subscriber. I can delete it from the public archives but it is not possible to delete emails from your inboxes, obviously, and so everyone has a copy. Whenever I see a subsequent email to the list with 'please delete my previous email' in the subject or first line I just obey and assume others do too.
*you're subscribed with normal posting rights, haven't included an attachment or triggered the spam filter
2. What are psci-com settings for replies?
Our setting is 'reply to list (all)' and the system is set to 'respect' the choice to 'reply to sender' or 'reply to all' although I find this doesn't work on Gmail and I'm given just the Reply option. I expect it varies by mail program.
The under-the-bonnet 'code' is "Reply-to= list,Respect" which means "that replies to postings will be sent to the whole group rather than just to the sender. However, the 'Respect' part of this line means that if someone chooses to reply just to the original sender, this will work too." (http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/owners/groupconfiguration.html)
The available options are:
a) Reply-to options - Reply-to-List / to-Sender / -Both / -None / -Specify
(first three are probably obvious, 'none' seems quite strict - I suppose you'd be forced to type in an address, Specify appears to mean that a default email address is set by me which you could override).
b) Respect is either Respect or Ignore
We've previously been 'Ignore' which didn't allow people to choose so I changed that, but not the reply-to-list default settings mentioned in (a).
3. What are the best options?
My feeling has always been that the list should be Reply to Sender as default, as the safest option. Before I became list owner I asked on the list about this and I asked again as owner (in 2012 <https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=psci-com;2741fd56.1212> ) for comments (on and off-list). Although quite a few agreed with me plenty of people felt that it should be reply to list with the addition of the 'respect' thing in place. Because we were already 'reply to list' I didn't change that and otherwise left things as they have been.
I'm happy to keep revisiting this until you agree with me though ;-)
My work on the CHI+MED project <https://chimedblog.wordpress.com/> (about making medical devices safer) has me convinced that no amount of reminding people to check 'reply' vs 'reply all' can ever prevent someone from making a potentially embarrassing error and that a system should be designed to minimise the effects of errors. The price for this is that users have to actively type in psci-com's email address if they want it to go to everyone. Letting people 'choose' to reply to A or B doesn't really protect them against picking the wrong one by mistake.
See our '#Errordiary <http://www.errordiary.org/?page_id=6724> ' sub-project, based at UCL, for more information (and research) on human error, particularly as it applies to medical errors.
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