Dear All
Many thanks for your comments and information - its all been very helpful. The existing space is restricted but I am pushing for it to be as accessible as possible to meet the needs of all users as well as deterring the anti social behaviour which is a huge concern.
We have a fantastic Changing Places toilet in the bus station and the refurbished facilities will be designed to be the same high standard.
Festive wishes,
Justine
Justine Sharman
Access Officer
Asset Management Team
Neighbourhood and Communities
1st Floor Civic Centre
Middlesbrough Council
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Flick Harris
Sent: 18 December 2014 15:26
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Accessible toilets and baby change!
Hi Vin
As ever, I support your comments and Alan's also! Your attachment doesn't get included in messages to Accessibuilt but wondered if you could send me a copy or post notes from your briefing sheet in an email.
It is always shocking or at least surprising to me when I see designers think about issues in separate categories e.g. parents with children are not disabled people or not men and therefore design facilities inappropriately. Even where changing areas are separate from accessible toilet facilities, the changing table should be low enough for wheelchair users or short people to use with children.
I would also consider including an accessible toilet with an adult changing table as part of the facilities if there is room. We have "changing places" toilets in Manchester but MDPAG would recommend that if possible, these facilities should also be able to be used independently by disabled people as well as with assistance, i.e. with tables that can be independently operated by a disabled person.
Best wishes
Flick
> while it is absolutely true that ADM outlaws placing of baby change
> platforms in accessible toilets nevertheless the other side of this
> coin is the need for provision of baby change facilities in an
> accessible form to meet the needs of parents who are wheelchair users or shorter people.
> I always object strongly to the automatic placing of baby change units
> in accessible toilets for exactly the reasons that Alan has stated but
> if disabled parents are excluded that is a problem in itself. I’m
> sorry if that complicates your decision.
> Without seeing plans or benefitting from a site visit my top of the
> head advice would be to provide one accessible toilet without baby
> change and one with and include baby changes in male and female loos -
> that way non-disabled parents do not need to occupy accessible
> facilities but disabled parents have equal access to baby change
> facilities. The other potential benefit of an oversize unit including
> a baby change is that it provides more elbow room for people needing
> support from one or more Personal Assistants which a minimum-size 1.5 by 2.2 unit does not provide.
> At the risk of teaching egg-sucking I have attached a briefing sheet I
> give to architects and developers covering some of the items that are
> most often forgotten in accessible loos.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Vin
>
>
> Vin West
> Chair
> Arfon Access Group
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>> On 18 Dec 2014, at 11:04, Justine Sharman
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks Alan - I think we are revision Z of this scheme - it has
>> gone round and round and round!!
>>
>> Main issue is dreadful anti social behvaiour - lots of male gangs and
>> online 'arrangements' !!!! Say no more!
>>
>> We have made provision for ambulant disabled users and I will ensure
>> the accessible provision is adequate for the number of users.
>>
>> I appreciate your comments - thank you!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Justine
>>
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>> Subject: Re: Accessible toilets and baby change!
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>> Hi Justine
>> Some thoughts...
>> 1. The accessible WC should not include a baby change ADM 5.5. The
>> reason for this is that when the facility is being used as a baby
>> change, there is no wheelchair accessible toilet available at all.
>> 2. The level of toilet provision should be appropriate to the needs
>> of the facility and there is no legal requirement for a baby change.
>> 3. The male and female toilets should include an enlarged cubicle
>> with outward opening door and grab rails and in the male toilets a
>> lowered urinal with grab rails. This will allow some disabled people
>> to access the non disabled male/female facilities.
>> 4. If a baby change is included in the male and female toilets
>> instead of the wheelchair accessible cubicle it will allow both sexes
>> to baby change but will still leave the toilets available for use.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan Hunt
>> Access Officer
>> Pembrokeshire County Council
>> County Hall
>> Haverfordwest
>> SA61 1TP
>> Tel: 01437 775148
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>> From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Justine Sharman
>> Sent: 18 December 2014 10:00
>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Accessible toilets and baby change!
>>
>> Good morning!!
>>
>> Would anyone be able to guide me please?
>>
>> Bus station toilets are to be refurbished - currently male and female
>> provision with x1 accessible toilet on both ground and upper level.
>> Due to on-going anti social behaviour the upper level WC's are to be
>> closed
>> - this is a high level management decision.
>>
>> My predicament is the proposals for the refurbishment of the ground
>> level toilets as x2 accessible toilets with a baby change in each
>> (will exceed ADM dimensions) can be provided or x1 accessible toilet
>> and x1 dedicated baby change.
>>
>> I am against putting baby change units in accessible WC's wherever
>> possible but am concerned about reducing the number of accessible
>> WC's to just one. Any advice would be most appreciated -
>>
>> Option 1: x2 accessible WC's with a baby change in each Option 2: x1
>> accessible WC and x1 baby change
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Justine Sharman
>> Access Officer
>> Asset Management Team
>> Neighbourhood and Communities
>> 1st Floor Civic Centre
>> Middlesbrough Council
>> TS1 9GA
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