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Re: To LIDO or not to LIDO

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Rodolphe Bailly <[log in to unmask]>

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Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:17:40 +0100

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Hi all,

LIDO is one of the reason why MIMO (musical instrument museums
online) was successful and continue to welcome new Museums from all over
the world. It is simple to understand for both IT persons and Curators. We
haven't benefit from the potential of the event based data, but I'm sure we
will in the future as we have many events describing repair and
restauration tasks.

Best,

Rodolphe

Le mardi 25 novembre 2014, Bud Robert <[log in to unmask]> a
écrit :

> As a curator who has worked with museums across the continent of Europe
> to coordinate our collections and narratives, it seems the LIDO isp
> essential as a method of creating associations with historical
> processes. CIDOC is an approach which could work too. This makes a
> decisive break with the library catalogue model of museum documentation
> and reflects the reality that museum objects acquire their significance
> by association.
>
> Robert Bud
> The Science Museum
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>]
> On Behalf Of
> Richard Light
> Sent: 24 November 2014 23:13
> To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
> Subject: Re: [MCG] To LIDO or not to LIDO
>
> Greg,
>
> I would say that an event-based approach is both a worthwhile
> aspiration, and increasingly a working reality.  The Europeana
> Connection Kit (ECK) provides a standard LIDO mapping as being "the most
>
> popular exchange format for museums" [1].  Major CMS vendors are
> announcing support for the ECK - last month it was the turn of Adlib -
> so I expect the pressure will be on the remainder to offer this
> functionality in their own offerings.
>
> The extent to which offering support for LIDO reflects a truly
> event-based model in the underlying system is something you would have
> to ask individual vendors about.
>
> Whatever conclusions you draw about LIDO would apply equally, of course,
>
> to the CIDOC CRM, which is also event-based.  My own view is that you
> can say very little of value about cultural heritage, using simplistic
> dbpedia-style binary links between objects and "other stuff".
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Richard
>
> [1] http://www.europeana-inside.eu/eck-workflow.html
>
> On 24/11/2014 16:52, Reser, Gregory wrote:
> > I'm weighing the pros and cons of object-based (VRA
> Core<http://www.loc.gov/standards/vracore/>) vs. event-based
> (LIDO<http://network.icom.museum/cidoc/working-groups/data-harvesting-an
> d-interchange/lido-overview/lidos-background/>) data models.  I can see
> the benefits of LIDO, like the potential to capture related information
> about what has happened to an object over time and the flexibility it
> affords in the search and display of this data, but I wonder if it is a
> beautiful theory rather than a workable solution.  My very frank
> question: is LIDO really advantageous and do institutions plan on
> utilizing event relationships in their discovery systems?
> >
> >
> > In the LIDO records I have come across, the most heavily used events
> are creation and acquisition.  Other events, like printing and
> distributing a print, are handled in a note or edition display
> statement, leaving the structured event properties unused. This suggests
> that data is being mapped to LIDO from an object-based CMS.
> >
> > http://dac-collection.wesleyan.edu/Obj3351  (LIDO download (in really
> small font at the
> bottom)<https://mail.ucsd.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=LmRoDFIN1kmtjzHqHOJ__nGuk
> 02L2dEIwtiAxIFZnmiLZwhl8wouqPAUnQx98EVtF8EEVp26gyU.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fdac
> -collection.wesleyan.edu%2fObj3351>
> >
> >
> > Is it a matter of time before CMSs move to object-based models?  I
> understand that LIDO is intended for delivering metadata not as the
> basis for a content management system.  Still, it seems that if one
> intends to deliver data structured in the event conceptual model, at
> even a medium level of specificity, one must collect the data in a
> schema that allows mapping into this model.  In other words, it will be
> much easier to export rich LIDO metadata from a CMS that captures the
> relationships of event information.
> >
> >
> > While current object-based input forms can capture information related
> to creation and acquisition, do any of them capture structured data for
> things like excavation, modification, or restoration?  I'm wondering if
> data input tools have changed to accommodate LIDO's event based approach
> - do they allow multiple events complete with creator, date, location,
> materials, etc.?  Do most systems still use the conceptual model, "here
> are all the dates, here are all the locations, here are all the
> materials" or are they changing to, "an event happened to this object on
> this date, at this location and these materials were used, another event
> happened to this object on this date..."?  I made a mockup of a simple
> event-based input
> form<https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1ywI_B6-rTIxvt0vo63ienkYHu3sbvmd
> XpcncpkWEnFo/edit?usp=sharing>, just to see how it might look.
> >
> >
> > I see the benefits of LIDO - the theory sounds wonderful, I just need
> some real examples that demonstrate the benefits of event-based over
> object-based metadata.
> >
> >
> > Greg Reser
> > UC San Diego Library
> > 9500 Gilman Drive, 0175K
> > La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
> >
> > Phone: 858.246.0998
> > Skype: gregreser
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
> --
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