They all involve language Jim. Not all language is made of words. But this is really a lot of effort to make relevant books that merely reproduce others' work and that aren't meant to be opened.
I'm content to leave it here. Changing the terms isn't really discussion, and we clearly disagree.
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>From: jim andrews <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Nov 9, 2014 10:18 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: non poemy poems
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>it concerns a large number of poets’ work, actually, including the conceptual poets.
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>just like the notion that you don’t need to know how to draw to be a visual artist is relevant to conceptual art, abstract art, generative art, computer art, and so on—all of which have more than a little bit of work associated with them that don’t involve drawing at all—so too is the idea that you don’t need to write poemy poems—or even write poems as we know them at all—relevant not only to conceptual poetry but visual poetry, computer poetry, generative poetry, ‘audio writing’, and so on.
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>ja
>http://vispo.com
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>> On Nov 9, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Jim: That's so much clearer that there's nothing that's not obvious. Also nothing that has much to do with Kenny.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jim andrews <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Nov 9, 2014 9:39 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: non poemy poems
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>>> in visual art, there is no necessity to know how to draw. this does not mean that the ability to draw is outlawed.
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>>> similarly, in poetry, there is no longer any necessity to produce poemy poems whether they are written, spoken, or whatever. natural language is intermedial with other arts and media in much contemporary art. it doesn’t mean that poemy poems are outlawed. again, it’s a matter of poetry having expanded much like the term ‘visual art’ has expanded to comprehend much more than previously.
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>>> and just as, in visual art, we now say ‘of course you don’t need to know how to draw to be a visual artist’, so too will we say ‘of course you don’t need to know how to write poemy poems to be a poet’.
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>>> ja
>>> http://vispo.com
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