Hi Shane
I think it is PIR sensors mounted on top of the pole with the crossing unit on it that senses people moving across, similarly that they are waiting to cross.
Of course we could move back to Zebra crossings and retrain drivers/cyclists that they must give way to anyone on the crossing, in effect what shared space seems to end up doing in giving pedestrians right of way when it works well. To go back to Wendy's earlier point it seems to be always about trying to keep traffic moving and cyclists not held up for too long. The pedestrian seems to be relegated to the person who has to wait forever until the lights finally tell them there is an "invitation to cross"!
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Marcus
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Thanks Dorothy. We don't have puffin crossings here in Ireland. I presume that whatever technology is used to ensure that signal stays green for pedestrians still on the crossing is not particularly unique to puffins, and could be used on other types of crossings (subject to regulatory approval etc)?
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Date: 04/09/2014 09:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8rDH7ms18U
See link above to video with sub-titles showing the features of a Puffin Crossing provided by the Department for Transport (DfT). The Puffin Crossing includes detectors so that traffic does not move until the crossing is clear of pedestrians.
Hope this assists.
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Hi
Thanks for highlighting this. I’m aware of this being a big cause for concern, and I share the concern about us pedestrians being permitted sufficient time to cross; and I’ve taken part in surveys in the past to assess the feasibility of crossing from one side of the road to the other during the ‘green man’ phase.
However, whilst conducting research on the subject of pedestrian crossings earlier this year, I have become aware of the official position, which is – as I understand it – that the ‘green man’ phase on controlled crossings is an invitation to cross, rather than – as most of us would assume - a time limit during which the pedestrian must do their best to make it from one side of the road to the other. So even if you start crossing a moment or two before the end of the ‘green man’ phase, you still have right of way across the road until you get to the other side. So in this sense, the variability in the speed with which different pedestrians are able to cross is already allowed for. In reality, however, most of us don’t understand the ‘green man’ phase in this way, and feel like we need to get across before the light changes. Again as I understand it, Puffin crossings seek to allow for this by extending the red phase for traffic so long as there is a pedestrian crossing the road who started crossing during the ‘green man’ phase. However, there is some evidence suggesting the pedestrians don’t like Puffin Crossings, I think because they can’t see a green man on the far side of the road.
All of the above applies in the UK, but I’m not sure whether it also applies internationally. In any event, I think there is great scope for the position to be clarified and awareness to be raised about the time pedestrians actually do have to cross the road.
Best wishes
Bryan
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I would really value any input in this regard as we are just experiencing an increase in shared space between pedestrians and cyclists here in Winnipeg Canada.
Judy
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A rumour I heard was that Boris Johnson was keen to speed up the 'green man' because as a cyclist he felt he was waiting too long for the pedestrians.
I'm sure there are statistics on accidents in London involving cyclists and pedestrians too.
I will certainly follow this one up.
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On Sep 3 2014, Shane T. Hogan wrote:
>This is a very real issue here in Ireland, where many older people and
>people with disabilities struggle to cross junctions within the
>permitted times.
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http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/make-a-change/urgent-actions/crossings/a-review-of-pedestrian-walking-speeds-and-time-needed-to
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>http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/make-a-change/urgent-actions/crossings
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2014/sep/03/campaigners-call-for-longer-road-crossing-times-for-london-pedestrians
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