Hi,
To start with the original question John Bibby asked I've contacted
the agency who did the surveys. There are no results given for
non-Jewish Israelis, because "we had had a problem in getting the
answers of a representative sample of Israeli Arabs and therefore
did not publish what we got last month. Hopefully things will be
better this month."
Regards,
Anthony Staines
On 07/08/14 14:10, Nicholas Beale wrote:
> Agreed. There are a many deplorable conflicts going on in the world, many much more deadly than in Gaza. There are also a great many forums for discussing them.
>
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> Sent: 07 August 2014 14:09
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> Please no political discussions and ALSO no last words when saying there should be no political discussions.
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>
> Eugenie
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> On 7 Aug 2014, at 13:58, "Khashan, Ali" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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> And I also agree that no political discussion is raised on this list and as for the last comment I must say that: how would you like to be living peacefully in Haifa or Jerusalem in 1948, then terrorist zionist organisations commit massacres killing innocent civilians, then you flee to Gaza where you become a refugee (and they steal your house and land and call it their own country although they have other citizenships! or if you insist on staying you become 10th class citizen) and 19 years later your refugee camp in Gaza is occupied, your father and/or older brother(s) are imprisoned then after long suffering and hopelessness the occupying army withdraw because of the resistance but they control every aspect of your life and put you on diet (maybe someone has to do a PhD on the effect of the siege on Gaza since 2006 on the health and nutrition behaviour of the Palestinians as it may be an effective intervention to reduce obesity around the world!) and then every 2 years they ask yo
u to leave your house so they can bomb it (but you run the risk of being killed in your new shelter (schools) or while in the hospital: note that you have few minutes from the time they send you a text message and the deadline to leave. Imagine if your mobile phone battery is dead because of the lack of electricity or poor signal). Some people seem to think the Palestinian history started in June 2014!
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> Ali (a third generation Palestinian refugee in Lebanon!)
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> I agree that allstat should not be used for political discussion and as the last , I hope comment about Michael's point of view must say that: how would you like to have a terrorist organization,like Hamas as a neighbor? Israelis asked the civilian to leave the location , by many means before an attack,does Hamas do the same?
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> Any chance we could restrict the discussion to statistical matters? Or take it away from allstat?
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> Regards
> Richard
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> If Gaza is not under occupation why the Palestinians need the approval of "Israel" to have their own airport or port? "Israel" controls the land and sea borders if Gaza and their warplanes are in the Gaza sky 24/7. Any of those acts is an act of war and no other country in the world would accept and no should expect the Palestinians to live under control and siege (which is real occupation) and accept it. The Palestinians were put on diet (not my own words but an Israeli minister) and yet some people seem to consider it normal! I cannot remember the lasts time the UK government asked the French government for permission to build an airport or to what's arms they should have!
> Ali
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> On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:55, "Michael Baxter" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> I repeat, if they are Israeli citizens they are not Palestinian. If they are not Israeli citizens and they do not live within the recognised borders of Israel, why should an Israeli firm include them in its surveys? In the Gaza Strip in particular, Israeli soldiers and settlers withdrew several years ago so it cannot be regarded as even under Israeli occupation.
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> The web site said clearly that the results were for Jews. No doubt if you approach them, they will tell you the results for Christians, Bahai and Muslims.
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> Michael Baxter
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> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 15:54:48 +0100
> Subject: Re: Israeli public opinion
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> I should have used the term 'non-Jew'. (I believe the overwhelming majority are Palestinian.) My point is that non-Jews seem not to have been surveyed at all, yet the results have been used as representative of Israeli opinion.
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> Depending on whether you use 1948, 1967 or 2010 borders, the proportion of non-Jews can be up to or even over 50% I believe (But as I said before, I may be wrong - that was why I asked the question.)
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> JOHN BIBBY
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