A - men, Tim, Lawrence. Nobilityofwarspeak pukesome every time and in it creeps, creeps.
Bill
> On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:33 am, Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Hi poetryetc people.I know I don't post here hardly ever but Lawrence's post and Doug's pointing to the Edmonton Journal thing, which like him I agree with, has prompted me to say something.
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> What some of us dreaded happening here in Britain as the WW1 centenary approached has indeed happened. The likelyhood of the establishment and the dickybowed historians coming out with their justifications for us (and hence the commonwealth) entering the war, about it being the right decision at the time etc, was very high. It was made even more likely by the renewed respect/sentimentality for the military and its values that due to 'the war on terror' has crept into our media over the past decade. The years of healthy and vital discussion about the stupidity and horror of war has been once again replaced by endless homilies to 'sacrifice' and 'honour' etc. The inbred notions, myths, lies, inverse values and pressures that led all those poor sods to go off and kill each other is now everywhere couched in non-judgmentla terms - everybody is a good guy - except the enemy of course - and the socio/political foundations based on hierarchy, duty, class and obedience that gave structure (and still do) to enable what happened to happen are treated as quite normal givens, like the weather. The fact that the very same inbred notions, myths, lies, inverse values and pressures were shared by the soldiers on the other side doesn't seem to enter the debate any more.
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> Children are told all about the horror of WW1while at the same time being fed endless homilies to those who enacted the horror.
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> I am not a pacifist, at least I don't think I am, but I would love to see a record label rerelease Donovan's 'Universal Soldier' in this climate.
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> And don't get me started on ******* Israel.
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> Cheers
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> Tim A.
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>> On 7 Aug 2014, at 16:20, Douglas Barbour wrote:
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>> Lawrence
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