Dear Angela,
Reparations are usually paid for by those that did wrong. The Palestinians did no wrong. They did not carry out a Holocaust. That was the German State. As you said the terror of Europe. The land of Palestine was the historic home of Jews, Christians and Muslims of the area and is of religious significance for all the Abrahamic faiths.
Anandi
> On 29 Jul 2014, at 23:32, "Angela Phillips" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> What one man proposed and what the Jewish diaspora desired need not be the same. It doesn’t help the situation to so woefully misunderstand it. The desire for a homeland in Israel came from centuries of dispersal and oppression. Many jews in Europe would have preferred to simply settle where they were but the holocaust put paid to that desire, sewing suspicion and fear through the generations. Many Israelis are the descendants of holocaust survivors. They believe that they will never have peace and feel safe anywhere outside a land of their own and that land in their minds and their prayers has always been Israel. This understandable fear does NOT mean that they have a right to persecute Palestinians. Indeed that experience of persecution should help them to understand what the Palestinians are going through now. But to simply dismiss Zionism as colonialism by another name is wrong. It will not help anyone to understand anything if people continually belittle the pain of others. To my mind that is what present day Zionists are doing to the Palestinians. It doesn’t help one bit to use the same kind of sloganeering belittlement of the pain that the Jews have endured as a weapon against them. The terror in Europe in the 1930s was real. This is how it is being paid for.
> Angela
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>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 20:58, Anandi Ramamurthy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Given that Theodore Herzel proposed both Argentina or Palestine as a possible location for a Jewish state in 1896, it is clear that the foundations of Zionism were not based on any historical logic re place and like all examples of settler colonialism have sought and in the case of Israel continue to seek to remove people from their land and expropriate that land for themselves. Israel has no defined borders. Now Israel intends to expropriate 40% of The land in Gaza, please tell me what is this besides the continuation of colonial violence?
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>> Anandi
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>>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 20:01, "Leora Hadas" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> As a former Israeli, with family in the conflict zone but zero approval for the actions of "my" government, I found this to be the only productive message in this whole discussion. People are going on about who is right, who is wrong, what is aggression and what is terrorism and what you would do in THIS specific situation, but this specific situation has a hundred years of complex history in time and sees world-wide outside interests playing out in space. I am extremely tired of seeing the discussion of these issues always go down the same spiral of such claims as that Zionism is just another form of colonialism (there is more than ample evidence of the area as the former Jewish homeland, though I personally wouldn't let that fact decide national policy!) or alternatively that Israel never targets civilians (perhaps not as policy, but it does turn a completely blind eye to civilian deaths at individual soldiers' hands, with obvious results). If we as media academics truly care to change anything about this ongoing situation, our duty is to educate people about where and how they get their information and how to process it.
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>>> For my part, because I know that my information and my context are woefully limited, I'll end my contribution here.
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>>>
>>> Leora Hadas
>>> PhD candidate, Culture, Film & Media
>>> University of Nottingham
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>>> The media coverage of this conflict has everyone arguing about who is more wrong. (As though none of us had had parents who quoted "2 wrongs don't make a right" and "I don't care who started it...")While we are doing this we are not addressing the underlying question of what is to be done about two peoples wanting to occupy the same space, and what responsibilities those other nations who helped engineer this situation may now bear in trying to resolve it. As usual, the media's main interest is in what is happening NOW, and in the newsworthiness, including the shock value of that. How to get the media and the consumers of media to look at the back story - the important context and history - and consider solutions without that becoming a dry or overly complex narrative? without the media constantly repeating itself?
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