Well, all I can say is thank you to Michael Chanan and Elina Bardach-Yalov for at least initiating a debate on the Meccsa list. In my experience this list never rises above the level of the postgrad notice board with actual debate almost actively discouraged, as it was today by some. Thank you for at least setting something off on this list other than the usual 'look at me, look at me' I have published an article/book/ web page dross.
John
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On 29 Jul 2014, at 19:38, Cahal McLaughlin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks for this research.
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> From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of insidefilm [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 29 July 2014 18:29
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> Elina Bardach-Yalov is listed as a former Political Communications advisor for Mr Benjamin Netanyahu on Linked In: see here<https://www.linkedin.com/pub/elina-bardach-yalov/6/1a1/4a5>
> Enough said.
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> From: Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2014, 18:15
> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
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> Dear Paul,
> I guess you don't like my answers since they confront your position and the position of the other European scholars. I must admit - I don't care much. The Israeli voice is mostly unheard in british media - I lived there, so I know it for sure. Moreover, the Palestinian voices are also unheard. Do you know that 20 Palestinians were murdered today by HAMAS just for their protests against this terrorist group?
> This is the real situation here - it is quite different from what you see on television. The media know how to frame the conflict in order to preserve it. And we just want to end it. Israel can go for two state solution and wants to do it, however, unless the world and the media are supporting HAMAS this will never happen. I am sorry for trying to ruin your perfect: "Israel is to be blamed for everything" world, but this is the reality, not some scholarly work. If you want to help the people of Gaza, just try to influence your policy makers to help Israel getting rid of HAMAS fanatics.
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> Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov
> David Yellin College of Education
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> On Jul 29, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Paul Ward <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> With the quality of your "answers", that's probably just as well . . .
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> From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Sent: 29 July 2014 16:20
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> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
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> Ladies and Gents,
> You simply don't let me go. But honestly, I have to work, so I am sorry for being unavailable to answer every single mail.
> No one targets civilians. We are not HAMAS who try every single day to kill our women and children. As I said there might be mistakes. They are unfortunate, tragic incidents.
> Gaza, just to remind you is absolutely free. But we are not obligated to let every single terrorist enter our country. Do you let everyone enter UK or US?
> And I blame no one for out problems with terrorists. I am just asking to stop supporting terrorists. As far as I remember nobody supported IRA or Red Brigades, when they killed people, so what's the difference?
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> Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov
> David Yellin College of Education
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> On Jul 29, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Gabriel Moreno <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> Elina, you are free to fool yourself and keep repeating over and over that Israel does not target civilians. Here's just one reminder that it does (even though it will never accept it officially): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pie6NAVPSaU
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> And you're wrong, no one supports Hamas, their use of civilians as human shields is deplorable. However, the existence of this wretched political and armed organisation within Palestine is an understandable response to decades of Israeli oppression and occupation. You would do well to broaden your mind a little bit, and try not to blind yourself to such a fact, which was very well put by Mike Wayne and Deirdre O'Neill above:
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> "When the oppressed lift one stone or fire one rocket back at the racist oppressors the latter can always rely on apologists to be absolutely blind to the violence of their states"
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> (Susan, you can "mute" this specific conversation (if you have Google just select it from your inbox then go to the "More" menu and select "Mute".)
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> On 29 July 2014 15:38, Philip Phillis <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> Last time i recall, Palestinians do not own a proper military force like Israel and its allies do. Hamas may be a dangerous and devious organization but they are probably all that Palestinians have got against their oppressors
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> Philip Phillis PhD Candidate in Film Studies
> University of Glasgow
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> From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of artdesigncafe [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
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> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
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> Hi: Sorry, but how is firing off hundreds of rockets initially “defensive”? And I’ve heard that there are a number of Palestinians afraid of Hamas. (I know I would be if I lived there. I wouldn’t be running around telling the foreign media, “I’d really like Hamas to stop firing rockets due to the results”, but instead, “War is bad” or “Blame the Israelis”.) Are you saying that you support Hamas’s organizational actions, which I understand that the EU, Canada, US, Jordan and Egypt have designated it a terrorist organization, where many of us live, (and Iran, Russia, China and Turkey have not)?
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> Or are you arguing that the initial rockets were “defensive” in a more overall, generalized sense? If Gaza and Hamas were in Kent, I really do wonder if the UK government would act any differently. Again better proposed actions are desperately needed!
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> Peace to all.
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 16:13
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> It's rather puzzling how supporters of Israel's state terrorism in Palestine normally argue that they have the right to protect themselves from Hamas terrorism, overlooking that Israel is an occupying force, and that as such, it's Hamas who's actually defending their people from an aggressor who relies on the systematic decimation of Palestinians as a means to perpetuate its occupation.
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> Israelis should wake up tot he fact that they're an occupying force, it's ludicrous that they expect Palestinians to sit down and give up their human dignity.
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> On 29 July 2014 14:47, artdesigncafe <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
> A “more considered argument”??
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> What would you expect the United Kingdom to do if the Netherlands was firing off hundreds of rockets over to England? Nothing, or what would your proposed actions be? If rockets were being fired from my neighbors flat or the roof, and UK bombed, I’d blame the neighbors, not the UK. I’d also factor in the current role of Egypt in relation to Gaza and the civilians, the attack tunnels, who is firing first and violating any cease-fires and the overall results, where exactly is the Hamas leadership and why are they really there, what exactly is this human shield element and how does it work, and determining to what extent people in Gaza can (or can’t) speak freely against Hamas.
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> With regard to ‘western support’, I’d suggest reviewing the transcripts of Wolf Blitzer (Monday) and Candy Crowley (Sunday) on CNN “interviewing” Palestinian reps, who simply would not answer any direct questions about incoming rocket fire or tunnels, and were allowed to do so.
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> At the least we probably can agree that we’d like this all to stop, and I think that begins by not one rocket being fired out of Gaza.
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> From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>] On Behalf Of Cahal McLaughlin
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> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
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> Thanks Michael, for your post.
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> If Elina would like to make a more considered argument as to why the israeli violence currently killing civilians on masse (the majority of deaths are civilians) is not state terrorism, it might be worth reading.
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> I know some will regard such a debate as not appropriate for Meccsa, but I consider Mchael's post to be acceptable in pointing out media bias in the current inexcusable western support for such a massacre.
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> On 29 Jul 2014, at 13:40, John Armitage wrote:
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> Agree with Stevphen Shukaitis
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> Also, this from Patrick Cockburn in the Independent goes some way to explaining Israel’s new ‘slick’ media pundits …
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> John
> …………………………………………….
> Sunday 27 July 2014
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> The secret report that helps Israel hide facts
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> The slickness of Israel's spokesmen is rooted in directions set down by the pollster Frank Luntz
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> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html
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> Israeli spokesmen have their work cut out explaining how they have killed more than 1,000 Palestinians in Gaza, most of them civilians, compared with just three civilians killed in Israel by Hamas rocket and mortar fire. But on television and radio and in newspapers, Israeli government spokesmen such as Mark Regev appear slicker and less aggressive than their predecessors, who were often visibly indifferent to how many Palestinians were killed.
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> There is a reason for this enhancement of the PR skills of Israeli spokesmen. Going by what they say, the playbook they are using is a professional, well-researched and confidential study on how to influence the media and public opinion in America and Europe. Written by the expert Republican pollster and political strategist Dr Frank Luntz, the study was commissioned five years ago by a group called The Israel Project, with offices in the US and Israel, for use by those "who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel".
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> Every one of the 112 pages in the booklet is marked "not for distribution or publication" and it is easy to see why. The Luntz report, officially entitled "The Israel project's 2009 Global Language Dictionary, was leaked almost immediately to Newsweek Online, but its true importance has seldom been appreciated. It should be required reading for everybody, especially journalists, interested in any aspect of Israeli policy because of its "dos and don'ts" for Israeli spokesmen.
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> These are highly illuminating about the gap between what Israeli officials and politicians really believe, and what they say, the latter shaped in minute detail by polling to determine what Americans want to hear. Certainly, no journalist interviewing an Israeli spokesman should do so without reading this preview of many of the themes and phrases employed by Mr Regev and his colleagues.
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> The booklet is full of meaty advice about how they should shape their answers for different audiences. For example, the study says that "Americans agree that Israel 'has a right to defensible borders'. But it does you no good to define exactly what those borders should be. Avoid talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967, because it only serves to remind Americans of Israel's military history. Particularly on the left this does you harm. For instance, support for Israel's right to def
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