I agree. The meaning of the term should be explained precisely for any particular research.
Eugene
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I'd like to suggest that to be an occultist or not to be an occultist are not binary poles, and that there are multiple ways in which one might be considered an occultist.
Nick
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I guess my point is that Lovecraft although clearly not a believer certainly appreciated how the occult functions, if you like. There was a reality to it that while not numinous was powerful in other senses. Which puts him in a tradition of readers making their own use of occult sources. I don't think he must be an occultist or initiate to be understood as an occult writer in some sense. That said I don't think he had chaos magic in mind...
On Jul 17, 2014 8:25 PM, "M. S. Spencer" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
That should be addressed to Leigh, not Lee. apologies.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM, M. S. Spencer <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Lee,
Grant does not suggest that Lovecraft was an active Occultist in the sense of one who is consciously practing "occult science" or performing ritual, nor does he suggest that Lovecraft "believed" in the occult. To suggest otherwise implies one has not read Grant, or is otherwise motivated to misrepresent his work. Grant was very aware of Lovecraft's materialism and atheism. He even directly addresses it several times in the Trilogies.
~M
As long ago as 1987 I published "H.P. Lovecraft as Occultist': An Exploration" (essay in four parts, Shadowplay, Australia; in two parts, Dagon, UK) which refutes any suggestion (as made by Kenneth Grant and others) that Lovecraft believed in occultism or practised it any way save that of employing occult motifs in his fictional work.
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