Yes, well, well, but speculation doesn't get us very far. John Freeman's arguments are eminently reasonable. Following the line taken by Dr K. Briggs, we could equally well invent a Maidstone anywhere. Has one been found on Mars yet?
I.
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Betreff: Re: [EPNL] Maidenestane
Datum: Wed, 07 May 2014 21:23:52 +0200
Von: Keith Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
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Zutshi has arguments, based on the politics of the time, as to why Maidstone in Kent is unlikely. But he was unaware of any other Maidstone.
As the scholars did not stop long wherever it was, I don't see that it has to be significant place. As they were fleeing in fear of reprisals for a murder, it might have been a hiding place.
Keith
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Subject: Re: Maidenestane
If scholars settled there, or thought of settling there, wouldn't it be likely to have been a place of some status, urban or proto-urban, like Cambridge or Reading (or Stamford and Salisbury, also apparently refuges of Oxford scholars at one time or another)? Maidstone would seem to fit the bill on that score. Unless, say, Bedford or somewhere like that was once called Maidenstane, need one look anywhere else than Maidstone?
J.
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From: Keith Briggs<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: [EPNL] Maidenestane
The article referenced below points out (pp.1044, 1048) that some of the emigrant Oxford scholars around 1209 were said by Matthew Paris to have gone to Maidenstane (as well as Reading), a place Zutshi assumes was either Maidstone (Kent) or an error for Maidenhead.
There is a lost Maidstone in Walton in Suffolk, which appears earlier as Maydenston, and in researching that name I found others such as Mainstone in Derbyshire (PN Db 1.77). However, none of these seem like good candidates for Matthew’s Maidenstane. Does anyone know of a better one, perhaps somewhere between Oxford and Cambridge? (It might be one of the several places which are etymologically ‘main-stone’).
Keith
@article{Zutshi:dispersal,
author="Patrick Zutshi",
title="The dispersal of scholars from Oxford and the beginnings of the university at Cambridge: a study of the sources",
journal="English Historical Review",
volume=127,
pages="1041--1062",
year=2012,
}
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