Thanks, Doug. The term 'bogan' may get new legs with it being applied to paroled Schapelle Corby in Indonesia and her interfering family.
Bill
On 06/03/2014, at 3:27 AM, Douglas Barbour wrote:
> Well, I would have thought something along those lines, Bill, but if I've heard it before I cant remember (from my times in Oz).
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> You do have tales to tell...
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> Doug
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Aha thanks so it's a typical oz-zealander!:-)
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bill Wootton
>> Sent: 05 March 2014 11:31
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: One knacker
>>
>> Pat, from our friends at Wiki pee:
>>
>> The term bogan (/'bo?g?n/)[1] is Australian and New Zealand slang, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for an individual who is recognised to be from an unsophisticated background or someone whose speech, clothing, attitude and behaviour exemplify a lack of manners and education.[2]
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>> Hadn't thought about the 'bog' element. Heaney no one's idea of a bogan. What about a 'to bog (g) an'?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> On 5 Mar 2014, at 8:58 pm, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> A bogan sounds like someone out of an Irish bog (bit like myself in
>>> fact0
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> On Behalf Of Bill Wootton
>>> Sent: 05 March 2014 06:20
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: One knacker
>>>
>>> Two tinies duly amended, thanks, Max. No idea what happened to Sean.
>>> The footy coach actually instructed him to 'take out' an opposing
>>> ruckman from Lalor who was making the difference in the game. Sean did
>>> but never looked the coach in the eye again. 'Bogan' probably does not
>>> apply out of Aus but hey, let's see what Patrick and Doug make of the
>>> term. A 'sleeve' is a single arm's worth of tattoos. I'd send a pic but this site won't handle it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>> On 05/03/2014, at 12:04 PM, Max Richards wrote:
>>>>
>>>> quite a full character sketch, Bill, and from how many years back?
>>>>
>>>> [tiny slips:
>>>> de rigueur
>>>> and shift hyphen up against sergeant]
>>>>
>>>> of course this reader is curious -
>>>> what became of Sean?
>>>> and you'd tell us if you knew.
>>>> Splendid set of false teeth, I trust.
>>>>
>>>> [does the word bogan work outside Australia, I wonder?]
>>>>
>>>> not sure I can visualise single sleeves.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still a bit shocked at the coach's yell.
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/03/2014, at 8:06 AM, Bill Wootton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One knacker
>>>>>
>>>>> Illiterate Sean, with his goofy
>>>>> grin, both arms scraggily
>>>>> tattooed above lanky wrists
>>>>> (before single sleeves
>>>>> became bogan de rigeur),
>>>>> you wanted on your side.
>>>>> Sean, that loosest
>>>>> of Watsonia cannons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cranky and snap-violent,
>>>>> punctual only by accident,
>>>>> lacking customary restraints,
>>>>> tight grey-panted Sean,
>>>>> to those in the know,
>>>>> was a testicle light
>>>>> but a ballsier leader
>>>>> you'd struggle to find.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bursting through the centre
>>>>> with the damp footy
>>>>> one Greensborough winter,
>>>>> kicking the sealer,
>>>>> he inspired the coach
>>>>> to yell, Go One-Knacker.
>>>>> Sean shook his head
>>>>> afterwards. Don't do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> A product of 9D,
>>>>> legendarily unteachable,
>>>>> reaching year 11
>>>>> on tech school
>>>>> automatic promotion,
>>>>> Sean toothlessly offered
>>>>> to assist three of us
>>>>> teachers last period Friday
>>>>>
>>>>> when fifteen-year olds
>>>>> get a whiff of weekend.
>>>>> We stood back
>>>>> while Sean sergeant
>>>>> -majored kids to seats,
>>>>> cocked an eye at us
>>>>> and rasped: Don't forget
>>>>> to all do your homework.
>>>>>
>>>>> bw
>>>
>>
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