Aha thanks so it's a typical oz-zealander!:-)
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From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bill Wootton
Sent: 05 March 2014 11:31
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Subject: Re: One knacker
Pat, from our friends at Wiki pee:
The term bogan (/'bo?g?n/)[1] is Australian and New Zealand slang, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for an individual who is recognised to be from an unsophisticated background or someone whose speech, clothing, attitude and behaviour exemplify a lack of manners and education.[2]
Hadn't thought about the 'bog' element. Heaney no one's idea of a bogan. What about a 'to bog (g) an'?
Bill
> On 5 Mar 2014, at 8:58 pm, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> A bogan sounds like someone out of an Irish bog (bit like myself in
> fact0
>
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> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Bill Wootton
> Sent: 05 March 2014 06:20
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> Subject: Re: One knacker
>
> Two tinies duly amended, thanks, Max. No idea what happened to Sean.
> The footy coach actually instructed him to 'take out' an opposing
> ruckman from Lalor who was making the difference in the game. Sean did
> but never looked the coach in the eye again. 'Bogan' probably does not
> apply out of Aus but hey, let's see what Patrick and Doug make of the
> term. A 'sleeve' is a single arm's worth of tattoos. I'd send a pic but this site won't handle it.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Bill
>
>> On 05/03/2014, at 12:04 PM, Max Richards wrote:
>>
>> quite a full character sketch, Bill, and from how many years back?
>>
>> [tiny slips:
>> de rigueur
>> and shift hyphen up against sergeant]
>>
>> of course this reader is curious -
>> what became of Sean?
>> and you'd tell us if you knew.
>> Splendid set of false teeth, I trust.
>>
>> [does the word bogan work outside Australia, I wonder?]
>>
>> not sure I can visualise single sleeves.
>>
>> I'm still a bit shocked at the coach's yell.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 05/03/2014, at 8:06 AM, Bill Wootton wrote:
>>>
>>> One knacker
>>>
>>> Illiterate Sean, with his goofy
>>> grin, both arms scraggily
>>> tattooed above lanky wrists
>>> (before single sleeves
>>> became bogan de rigeur),
>>> you wanted on your side.
>>> Sean, that loosest
>>> of Watsonia cannons.
>>>
>>> Cranky and snap-violent,
>>> punctual only by accident,
>>> lacking customary restraints,
>>> tight grey-panted Sean,
>>> to those in the know,
>>> was a testicle light
>>> but a ballsier leader
>>> you'd struggle to find.
>>>
>>> Bursting through the centre
>>> with the damp footy
>>> one Greensborough winter,
>>> kicking the sealer,
>>> he inspired the coach
>>> to yell, Go One-Knacker.
>>> Sean shook his head
>>> afterwards. Don't do that.
>>>
>>> A product of 9D,
>>> legendarily unteachable,
>>> reaching year 11
>>> on tech school
>>> automatic promotion,
>>> Sean toothlessly offered
>>> to assist three of us
>>> teachers last period Friday
>>>
>>> when fifteen-year olds
>>> get a whiff of weekend.
>>> We stood back
>>> while Sean sergeant
>>> -majored kids to seats,
>>> cocked an eye at us
>>> and rasped: Don't forget
>>> to all do your homework.
>>>
>>> bw
>
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