That’s a good idea, thanks Matt.
Becky
On 26/03/2014 14:40, "Matt Faber" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Hi Becky,
>
>One last thought. Have you spoken to RCAHMW as I'm sure they'll have some
>thoughts on the matter.
>
>Matt
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>From: AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Brumbill
>Sent: 26 March 2014 14:29
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>Subject: Re: Scanning slides / digital ICE technology
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>Thanks so much to everyone who passed on their views and practises
>regarding digital ICE. My quest will continue with conservation members
>of our organisation, hopefully we will settle on a final decision soon.
>Perhaps we will have 2 set procedures, one for internally produced slides
>and one for externally produced (i.e. donated material ) slides. Metadata
>to record exactly what method of scanning will be a definite though. One
>thing that was mentioned here was whether digital ICE technology can
>distinguish between dust and scratches and whether you can remove dust
>but not scratches. That¹s next on my list!....... unless anyone already
>knows?
>
>Many thanks again,
>Becky
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>On 25/03/2014 10:59, "Robin Maggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>Hi Derin,
>>I am also of the opinion that you should keep a high res master
>>production scan that surrogates can be made from in the future in most
>>situations.
>>I don¹t want to be picky but I think there may be a little confusion
>>over the way Digital ICE works in reference to the review you posted,
>>in the review "where it removes windows etc" it is talking about a
>>digital dust and scratch removal 'filter' which has to interpret the
>>scan and then removes items. Digital ICE technology works differently
>>by using an infrared scan pass to locate foreign bodies (dust) on the
>>transparency and also scratches and holes in the emulsion where the IR
>>passes right through. It does not interpret the scan, rather it locates
>>areas where no photographic data from the emulsion can be recorded
>>either because it is no longer there or is covered by grime. The
>>accuracy and the way it paints in that missing data is a different
>>discussion but as a tool for cleaning up the majority of dust it has
>>worked very well for me in the past and can save hours of photoshop
>>work if you are trying to create a commercial/useable image.
>>
>> I still agree with most on this subject that there is no single answer
>>to the original question. I think collections need to be assessed prior
>>to digitisation and a decision can be made about why the collection is
>>being digitised. Any tools (ICE etc) used should be documented so as to
>>not mislead researchers in the future as Damian refers to.(24/03/14) My
>>personal view on in house produced photographic material of events and
>>galleries/exhibitions etc depends again on why it is being digitised.
>>If it is just to preserve a record of what is on the slides so they can
>>be dumped and save space in an office then I think a bit of digital
>>ICE and some basic levels would be fine but historical analogue
>>photographic material (not including prints) should be treated very
>>differently.
>>
>>Robin
>>
>>
>>Robin Maggs
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>>Photographer
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>>Photography Department / Adran Ffotograffiaeth
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>>Amgueddfa Cymru National Museum Wales
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>>From: Derin Korman <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>Reply-To: "AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage
>>sector" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 11:36:11 +0000
>>To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>Subject: Re: Scanning slides / digital ICE technology
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>>I would not trust digital ICE to carry dust and scratch removal, see
>>this review
>>http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Epson%20V700/page_9.htm
>>where it removes windows in the picture and leaves some dust behind.
>>The ideal would be to retain an as-is scan. Without a consistent,
>>calibrated and characterized scan, there is no way to use the image as
>>a reference for the image, in case it is needed for conservation
>>purposes. A digitally restored variant that had color, scratch, fading
>>corrections and such could be stored and delivered separately with
>>clear metadata to mark it as such.
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>>d
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>>On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Anne Martin
>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>Hi Becky, indeed it is a good question and one which is a constant
>>topic of conversation for us.
>>
>>We, like previous respondents, have adopted the reasoning that dust and
>>scratches would not have been on the glass plates/slides/negatives etc.
>>to begin with so we do remove the most obvious ones if they are
>>detrimental to the image, especially if the image is to be used for
>>publication purposes. We also adjust the colour balance where
>>appropriate if the original has faded over the years.
>>I would agree that it is really up to the individual organisations how
>>they wish tackle this.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Anne
>>
>>
>>On 21 March 2014 12:21, Matt Faber
>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>Hi Becky,
>>
>>This is a good question and I can see that you're receiving a lot of
>>good advice from other colleagues. I think ultimately it comes down to
>>whether the original image is considered an object or not and whether
>>the removal of dust and scratches in destructive or not. I have in the
>>past worked on photographic collections and using ICE was never
>>considered as one had no control over what was being removed during
>>scanning. I hope that helps.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Matt
>>
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>>Rebecca Brumbill
>>Sent: 21 March 2014 11:09
>>To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: Scanning slides / digital ICE technology
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>>Dear All,
>>
>>If anyone can help I would be enormously grateful. We have been
>>discussing our views and our working practise in the use of digital ice
>>technology (automatically removing scratches using scanning software).
>>
>>Does anyone use digital ICE technology when digitising slides a) within
>>their photographic collections that have been donated and b) when
>>digitising slide collections of events / site visits that have been
>>photographed by staff within your organisation? If so, do you store 2
>>copies one with Digital ICE and one without?
>>
>>Considering in-house photography, we wouldn't dream of removing
>>scratches from old glass plates that have been digitised, but are
>>considering doing it for our slides, I suppose the real question is, at
>>what stage do internally produced photographic collections become
>>objects that need preserving in their own right? Also does anyone do
>>colour corrections such as removing a cyan cast when scanning internal
>>slide collections?
>>
>>Hopefully it all makes sense!
>>
>>With many thanks in advance,
>>
>>Becky
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